Flybe future recruitment???

[turbotop]

With the Finnair deal on hold will flybe really start recruiting any time soon, or do they have enough crew and cadets coming through to manage through the winter months?

With orders for 35 aircraft plus, and rumours of people leaving surely they need to open the doors soon?

[big d1]

For DEP the answer is no. The only new people that will be joining the company over the winter are MPL cadets with the first batch I believe on the TR phase and the next batch starting their TR at the end of the year. We do seem to be short of Q400 Capt's at the moment but do not expect to see any DEC recruitment to solve this. Yes we do have the E170's on order but the fleet will still be relatively small even in 12 months time so there will not be any mass recruitment to offset guys moving from the Q400 at least at the start. Finally although there are a lots of people who will not doubt leave when things do start to pick up, as it stands at the moment very few people are leaving. In the last 12 months I think I have moved about 10 odd places up the seniority list. I did that within the first 2 months when I first joined.

If airlines start to open up recruitment again in the not to distant future and there is a large exit of experienced FO and Capt, then you will probably see DEP joining again as well as cadets.

[Desk-pilot]

Recruitment is inevitable

Rest assured recruitment in Flybe is inevitable. Virtually every F/O and a high proportion of Captains want to move on when opportunities arise further up the food chain. I personally know several F/O's with applications in at Jet 2, most would jump at Easy if they start offering DEP and some are off to the Middle East already.

I wouldn't be surprised if the doors open again arter Christmas.

Desk-pilot (NB I am just a line pilot)

[Nas]

2 friends are now flying with Flybe. They averaged 95%. They did mention the other candidates all averaging well above 90% with 14 first time passes, too.

Good job I didn't twiddle my thumbs too much in the classroom

I loved the ATPLs! I miss those days.. ahhh

[VJW]

wow, as a 2 yr FO with RYR I make pretty much the same as a 17 yr Q400 Capt- no thanks!

[oapilot]

wow, is that before or after you've paid for your training, uniform, pass, car parking, water, tax, NI, accountants fees, etc, etc, etc.

[big d1]

And work for someone who says I can be replaced by a cabin crew member......

[Coffin Corner]

VJW

I'd rather live in a cave, cut off my own legs, marry Susan Boyle and smother by bellend in deep heat than work for that harp playing devil.

[SmilingKnifed]

To be fair CC, I thought the last one was on your hobby list already!

[Coffin Corner]

Dammit, I've been found out

[VJW]

Simply put. My gross money is similar to a 17 yr flyby capt. I paid my type rating, but flybe bond you for 3 years for a type rating no where near as useful as a 737.

I don't mind working for the devil, last month gross pay was 9600 euro. Not bad for 2 yr fo.

Not the best company, but everyone pays for their own training up until a type rating, difference is, ryr pay me well enough to pay it off. Flybe pay is less them most half decent office jobs.

Probably a reason why no rye pilots would ever apply to flybe. However I know plenty who've gone the other direction. Again there's a reason for that.

[stefair]

Sorry for going off topic.

VJW, 9,300 huh? Please elaborate on that figure. Max flying hours, as far as I'm concerned, is 100 / 28 consecutive days. I wasn't aware of a recent payrise in RYR.

Even IF your gross pay is that much (if it is I envy you as it is a whole lot more than I get, despite all the benefits I get to enjoy) there are plenty of guys in your outfit NOT even making a fraction of that. Just see the other thread where people are telling of being rostered for a generous two flights in a whole month! Trouble in RYR is some seem to get lucky (at least that's what they claim publicly in an anonymous Internet platform), but many absolutely ain't.

[Otto Throttle]

As a yr2 FO at RYR I very much doubt he is actually a Ryanair employee - merely a self-employed 3rd party contractor who can be disposed of at will. As much as I detest that grubby airline, it's something I hope it's pilots never discover the hard way.

Not a position I would ever want to be in with someone as temperamental as MOL for a 'boss', but if you're a whore for money you're gonna get f...............!

[VJW]

Hi

I'm not denying I paid a lot for my type rating, but the point I'm making now is my pay net (I do pay my tax) us still similar to flyby capt. Yes, the guys I know are captains that have switched to Ryanair. Probably because they didn't enjoy a ryr fo making more money then them.

In my case I joined ryr only owing 10k as I worked hard in full time employment while training. Ryr seemed like the best option for my case and only owing 40k with type rating and job seemed like a good career choice for my case.

Whichever way you look at it flybe would have been a significant pay cut fromthe job I was in, and while it shouldn't be all about money, I believe flyby pilots are under paid. You may still get your money with 20 hrs in the month, however even if I do 20 hours as briokfield I bet I end up with more. Last month I did 100 (yes we work our balls off).

On the flipside, don't critics ryr so much you may need them one day

[VJW]

Last month 40 hours normal rate of 80.5/hr = 3600 ish
Plus 60 hours out if base at normal rate plus out of base pay which is 20/hr extra = 6000 (total 9600 ish)

Again it's not this every month, so I don't spend that every month, but this is how I can now afford my month off

[stefair]

Fair enough. However, that's not the norm for every RYR FO. And as you yourself already admitted it's not the norm for you either.

With regards to the Flybe deal, yes, agreed, they might not get paid as much as you do. On the other hand, they do have all the goodies on top of their SALARY an airline pilot should have given the skills aquired and investment made.

IMHO, the big difference between RYR and established airlines is they (RYR) leave it entirely up to the individual what to do with his pay whereas other airlines pay a lower salary but remunerate stuff on top. But let's not forget there are a lot of guys at RYR not even getting paid that in the slow months and badly struggling to make end's meet. I'm real glad I did not have to take that route.

Personally, I favor having a salary less yours but an employer making the investment of paying for my TR and paying me when I get sick, take leave, etc. Let's not forget, the more a company invests in you the less likely they are to show you the door unless they really have to.

[oapilot]

Plus 60 hours out if base at normal rate plus out of base pay which is 20/hr extra = 6000 (total 9600 ish)

So, without lucking in to that 60 hours your months pay for that month and your month off would be 1800Euros per month. Impressive.

How do you get on with McNamara? I'm sure the fees are worth it.

[Lord Spandex Masher]

I'm not sure I understand this properly.

and also the transfer fee to pay the money into their account each month

Are you saying, with a completely straight face, that you have to pay to be paid? What kind of person is 'happy' to do that?!

[Coffin Corner]

LSM

That is exactly right.

[go around flaps15]

Coffin Corner

Im not a Brookie myself but I can tell you for sure that a Brookfield fo on the top rate at Ryanair doing 650 to 700 hours a year will be on a lot more than a flybe senior FO. And me for that matter.

And I know quite few Flybe guys. The story is always the same. The company is a great company to work for, but the money isnt in it. All top guys might I add..