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Industrial Action at Flybe?

Old 30th Jul 2011, 22:34
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I don't know who 'Leg' is or whether he is based at INV, but I take offence at the dig at INV crew.
I AM INV based, Q400 Captain (so that narrows it down to 5). Lets compare rosters MR 195 skipper, cushy? Not here.
As for closing 'pointless bases', so much for supporting other crew.
I will tell that to my two children under 3, who would suffer major upset were that to happen.
Put your vote in and then chill. The majority will win, that's democracy. In the meantime keep beating the doors at BA, I'll take your job.
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 21:35
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I'm afraid that will only happen if I take another 500 people with me
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Old 1st Aug 2011, 08:53
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Some of the rantings in this thread are pathetic and I think probably a side effect of the lack of professionalism displayed by the operator on a daily basis especially when dealing with its pilots.

Anyway I have the following info from a reliable source down in EXT:

All 175 after 2012 to go to Flybe Nordic, this is as there is no room for expansion in the uk and the jet simply cant compete with the dash for cost on short secx i.e. SOU - GUR, BHD - GLA etc especially with the low low load factor average 63% (poor compared with almost every other airline)

Flybe UK will maybe get some ATR's with pilots transferred on to this type with a new payscale for any new joiners circa £41k cpt half that for FO. The company has hundreds of applications ready to process to counteract the coming exodus.

Another one which I partly agree with: PBM's to be gotten rid of as they cost alot of money and basically do nothing of any value, they will be replaced with a base administrator i.e. a pregnant crew member

Interesting times ahead I think. Hopefully the YES vote will prevail (my opinion only)
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Old 1st Aug 2011, 09:16
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Added to the above,

All Dashes to go by 2020
Target UK fleet ratio 50:50 Jet:TP

Not sure BALPA will allow the pay cut for Cpt transferring to the ATR though!
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Old 1st Aug 2011, 14:31
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I think @assymetricdrift is right, I was looking at flights recently MAN to BRU and only reluctantly chose Flybe. Brussels Airlines tickets on the RJ85's were £150pp more, but I was prepared to pay it, but ultimately settled for a Fybe dash with a 15 min slower flight time.
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Old 1st Aug 2011, 14:50
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Haha willing to pay GBP150 extra to fly on an aircraft that is known to poison its passengers and crew.. Not me: give me a dash anyday Just the luggage space is cr@p..

Sorry for the thread drift...
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 13:55
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Of course the mangement are prepared to lower the bar - they're likely to have just been given a mandate from the pilots to continue trampling our Ts & Cs into the dirt. That's what happens when you vote "yes" to a bad deal at a time when you had a strong bargaining position.

All this talk of making a batter deal in 18 months - utter tosh. You had a golden opportunity to do that now. EZ, RYR and BA/IAG have all reported a massive upswing in profitability and pax numbers this year, but so many of you fell for the guff that your future has to be based on last year's results. If Flybe don't show results that follow that same trend this year, then I'm pretty sure the shareholders will be showing Jim how the exit works.

And Flybe Nordic? Well, let me predict now, that Flybe UK payscales will be totally separate and any improvements based on UK business performance. Nordic - and any other additional European spin-offs - will be managed separately to the UK business and their performance will not be considered by the UK management in negotiating UK salaries. So anyone holding out hope that the European expansion will miraculously lead to better UK salaries is most likley to be sorely disappointed.

But if you voted "yes", then you brought it on your own head.
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Old 3rd Aug 2011, 17:01
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All 175's after 2012 to FlyBE Nordic, give me a break. JF by his own admission can't wait to get rid of as many of the 8s as possible.

78%-22% Yes, SA still has holes you could drive a crew sandwich though but the Joint Committee will allow for adjustments which weren't possible under the old T&Cs. Congrats to the CC for all the work they've put in
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Old 3rd Aug 2011, 19:07
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well thats that then!
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 07:48
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There won't be any "love in"! We had to take the company to the edge of the abyss before they then, kicking and screaming, came up with the very bare minimum of an acceptable offer, much of which was already promised us before. People have long memories, and the vote result reflects the proportion of pilots who are actively looking to leaving soon, hopefully now the BA logjam has been cleared and opportunities open up elsewhere.

I only voted yes as i didn't feel it was bad enough to justify striking over it. But as a package dressed up with a pink ribbon emblazoned with some syrupy words from JF representing a "new Dawn"? I don't think so.

Btw, who knew that we won't start to get our "long" 60 hr weekends (i say again, paid for in negotiations 3 years ago) until NOVEMBER???
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 09:06
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Now that the threat of industrial action is over, I wonder how long it will be till the big announcement!
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 09:24
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If you were daft enough to vote YES then you now have NO right to moan about Pay or Scheduling.
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 09:48
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November introduction of revised SA was in BALPA/CC newsletter early July with jims revised pay offer. Rosterers work three months ahead so Nov makes sense.

Personally I would worry more about backpay being taxed at this years rates??
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 09:49
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What big announcement??
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 10:13
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C'mon, you know, the BIG announcement!
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 10:27
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It's something to do with the big picture being upgraded from a Picasso to a Salvador Dali I guess?

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Old 4th Aug 2011, 11:43
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Only yourselves to blame

You get what you voted for folks, don't moan on here when you're permanently doing 6 on 3 off for below industry standard pay. As for a 50/50 fleet, what a load of tosh. Nordic will be as big, if not bigger than the UK operation witin 3 yrs, and guess were all your shiny jets and jet pay will go. The Q400 will NEVER fly for Noridc, and wether it's 8's or ATR's. it'll be TP's and TP salaries for all, no question.
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 11:43
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More like wax crayon and bits of glued on macaroni
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 17:18
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Give over Toastal. 6 on 3 off could never work all the time in practice, they'd end up giving us more days off in a month - which, as they've already stated is something they are not prepared to budge on.

To maintain the majority of Q400's in the UK, or dare I say it, downgrade the UK operation towards ATR's is also unlikely to happen. There will be a shift towards a 50/50 split. There has to be. The UK operation isn't just going to stagnate and taper off into the sunset. There's a new focus with the Nordic operation, yes, but not at the expense of the UK one.

The commericial dept have already put forward the need for Jets in the UK at bases like BHX and MAN. It's already formed the bidding process for this current bid and as you well know, there are several bods already trained up and ready to go... when they get here.

You think Flybe are gonna say, "Right, we've got 'em. Pull the Jets out of the UK, let's give 'em to our Nordic friends and give that go-ahead for the ATR's." Spare me.

If they do Toastal, I'll eat my epaulettes.
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Old 4th Aug 2011, 18:14
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would you like chili or barbecue sauce with them
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