Industrial Action at Flybe?
L'enfant Terrible
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The Sea Dog is on the mark here. The bidding system is published and available for all to see, there are no backhanders.
We may disagree with how the CC are going about things, but nasty little allusions to backhanders do us no credit whatsoever.
We may disagree with how the CC are going about things, but nasty little allusions to backhanders do us no credit whatsoever.
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The bids has been completed for the summer bid, look at IB's latest newsletter for confirmation, if you mean for the next bid document it's early, when did we all fill in the last bid form?
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Fare enough, opinions yes, misguided and uninformed speculation NO. I've seen the latest newsletter and yes it does appear unfair towards EDI & GLA that the aircraft are being remote crewed but the MAN promotions to the jet are internal and one thing has nothing to do with the other. By your thinking a whole base's promotions would be skewed towards the chief pilot's favourites.
Bully, nope, but if I were flying with you I'd voice the same sentiment, what you are alluding to is untrue
Bully, nope, but if I were flying with you I'd voice the same sentiment, what you are alluding to is untrue
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Copper,
I'm no great fan of the management at present and I certainly disagree with what's happening in Scotland. But the fact is you're playing the men instead of the ball and in a particularly undignified way.
This may be an anonymous forum, but some could still argue your posts to be libellous. Unless you have some groundbreaking evidence of your colleagues' corruption, you might want to ask yourself whether an apology is in order (certainly one of them reads this and he's a man held in high regard by those who know him).
I'm no great fan of the management at present and I certainly disagree with what's happening in Scotland. But the fact is you're playing the men instead of the ball and in a particularly undignified way.
This may be an anonymous forum, but some could still argue your posts to be libellous. Unless you have some groundbreaking evidence of your colleagues' corruption, you might want to ask yourself whether an apology is in order (certainly one of them reads this and he's a man held in high regard by those who know him).
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Chopper (and dear God aren't you living up to that name),
Putting a flimsy question mark, using terms like 'allegedly', or 'it doesn't look good', or offering to apologise if you're wrong in no way absolves you from the content of what you said. You have made an unsubstantiated and potentially damaging comment about people who've done no wrong and need to either publish your evidence or withdraw the statement.
To give you a basic legal grasp, it's rather like my saying, 'Are you talking bollocks?', 'You seem to be talking bollocks. It doesn't look good' and 'You are talking bollocks.'
The window dressing varies, but the content is semantically and legally the same.
Putting a flimsy question mark, using terms like 'allegedly', or 'it doesn't look good', or offering to apologise if you're wrong in no way absolves you from the content of what you said. You have made an unsubstantiated and potentially damaging comment about people who've done no wrong and need to either publish your evidence or withdraw the statement.
To give you a basic legal grasp, it's rather like my saying, 'Are you talking bollocks?', 'You seem to be talking bollocks. It doesn't look good' and 'You are talking bollocks.'
The window dressing varies, but the content is semantically and legally the same.
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Many people I have spoken to can not for the life of them understand why the CC reccommended the offer
Although they also said that when the offer gets rejected (am I jumping the gun saying that?!) BALPA will have more bargaining power because they can tell Flybe/ACAS or whoever, we've strongly recommended this offer to our members and they've still declined so it puts more pressure on the company to pull out something better. Whether or not that will hold any weight remains too be seen...
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"we strongly recommend the acceptance of this offer" was included in the deal otherwise they wouldn't offer it.
There must be logic in there somewhere but I can't see it.
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yawn........now can we please get back to the point?????
Chopper copper............... tit !
Last edited by jersey145; 31st Mar 2011 at 23:24. Reason: did have a longer post......but this sums it up.
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When Exeter said we demand you put this statement in or there is no offer, BALPA should of got tough and said that's fine by us. We will not make a false statement to our members to make a point. Especially with a offer which we know is poor and will be rejected!! We will tell our members we have no new offer and ballot for industrial action. End of meeting. Goodbye!
I appreciate the CC are working hard for our interests but I also expect them to make honest statements to their members and not ones that the company have persuaded them to make.
Enough of this James Bond stuff, I'm not intelligent enough to work out a CC statement isn't really what the CC are thinking but bla bla bla.........just tell it like it is.
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25th Feb 2011, 16:16 #412 (permalink) Quality Time
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Reading this thread reminds me exactly of Balpas dealings with Easyjet in the early nineties. Secret meetings, lack of communication with the members etc.
Oh and ultimately a big let down and the reason I left Balpa.( (for the second and final time)
I really hope you guys have better luck.
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Reading this thread reminds me exactly of Balpas dealings with Easyjet in the early nineties. Secret meetings, lack of communication with the members etc.
Oh and ultimately a big let down and the reason I left Balpa.( (for the second and final time)
I really hope you guys have better luck.
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Well whatever they are doing behind closed doors they need to do it fast. No more final, final, final, final offers. Those of us on a dash FOs salary are struggling with the practicalities. The time for a talk is over.
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Maybe there should be an impartial person at every meeting that videos the whole meeting and then broadcasts it on aims so we ca all read it. That would most certainly stop the BS wouldn't it?
Everyone needs to remember here, whatever deal gets excepted you will be back paid to the start of negotiation so don't fret to much and accept a rubbish deal that isn't as rubbish as the last just because you are desperate for your money now. That is exactly what happened last time and sadly most of those guys that voted to accept left anyway.
There are a lot of guys/gals here that want a good deal for everybodypresent and future so that we can stay and make something better out of this airline rather than something better for 'them'.
But I do agree this is going on and on and on..... Final offers Mr French?
Obviously Mr Strong hasn't sorted it so perhaps you need to step in?
Also BALPA please ballot us next time for a realistic request rather than a demeaning 5-6%.. If we are to negotiate effectively we need to be serious at the first instance and not try and second guess what the company might go for. Rather, as a few others have pointed out, 10 to 20 or even more % should have been the starting figure and this should not have been thrown in for negotiation with the scheduing aggreement.
Or perhaps, food for thought, if we were to accept the latest agreement on scheduling and Ts and Cs then I would need another 30% at least.
Everyone needs to remember here, whatever deal gets excepted you will be back paid to the start of negotiation so don't fret to much and accept a rubbish deal that isn't as rubbish as the last just because you are desperate for your money now. That is exactly what happened last time and sadly most of those guys that voted to accept left anyway.
There are a lot of guys/gals here that want a good deal for everybodypresent and future so that we can stay and make something better out of this airline rather than something better for 'them'.
But I do agree this is going on and on and on..... Final offers Mr French?
Obviously Mr Strong hasn't sorted it so perhaps you need to step in?
Also BALPA please ballot us next time for a realistic request rather than a demeaning 5-6%.. If we are to negotiate effectively we need to be serious at the first instance and not try and second guess what the company might go for. Rather, as a few others have pointed out, 10 to 20 or even more % should have been the starting figure and this should not have been thrown in for negotiation with the scheduing aggreement.
Or perhaps, food for thought, if we were to accept the latest agreement on scheduling and Ts and Cs then I would need another 30% at least.
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So many people talking so much nonsense. If you don't like what you've got you should resign. In fact you should never have accepted the offer of employment you were given. Go and do something else and then after a while you can complain about that too. Some people are never happy. Even if Flybe gave you a 20% rise you would still find something to complain about. There's a long line of people who would gladly change places with you. I'm glad I don't have to share a flight deck with you lot.
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Benchmark ditto! Lets all go pay to fly 
The best deal I heard is a certain captain pushing for 5 on 5 off. I know I would be happy with that! But the company wont go for it unless everyone pushes for it!
The best deal I heard is a certain captain pushing for 5 on 5 off. I know I would be happy with that! But the company wont go for it unless everyone pushes for it!