Question for Ryanair SFIs
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Fair enough. However the general trend is that they don't because their list of responsibilities include part of the upgrade training. I cannot account for everyone who has passed through FR as an SFI; however those that I know have had no issue with the command. It is a general belief that they shouldn't. But then we all know what can happen when we generalise..........
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Kilo: Did I interpret this correctly? Are you saying that a 1500hrs SFI is invol ved with command upgrade training of another F/O, who by definition must be more experienced? Command courses are with 2 F/O's; I can see the de-briefings, on some occaisions, being very interesting should differences of opinions arise.
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Yes you understood correctly. SFI's do not just instruct low time cadets on type courses. They also do recurrent sim training for crew (not OPC/LPC as this requires TRI/E), and OCC courses. As ryanair don't currently recruit direct entry FO's, these OCC courses are for DEC's the vast majority of whom have several thousand more hours on the aircraft than the SFI's. This does not appear to cause problems. As has been said, Ryanair have been using SFI's for a long time now. The company takes a great deal of pride in the standards of its training department, and from what I hear, it is generally held in high regard throughout the industry.
Probably possible, but don't suppose it happens much.
Plenty of line captains become LTC's without having been a SFI/TRI, but obviously you need the TRI to become a TRE.
Normally, like most things in RYR I guess, the normal procedure is to go from SFO with SFI, to Line Capt with TRI, LTC then TRE.
I know lots of Captains who joined RYR via direct entry, who were TRE's at their previous company who keep it valid at their own expense and don't exercise it for RYR.
Plenty of line captains become LTC's without having been a SFI/TRI, but obviously you need the TRI to become a TRE.
Normally, like most things in RYR I guess, the normal procedure is to go from SFO with SFI, to Line Capt with TRI, LTC then TRE.
I know lots of Captains who joined RYR via direct entry, who were TRE's at their previous company who keep it valid at their own expense and don't exercise it for RYR.
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1500hrs is the very minimum
Wowwww 1500 hrs, bloody hell, thats alot. It certainly puts the 20000 - 30000 hour ex concorde,777 and 747 trainers who i had the pleasure of being trained by into perspective.
I am no longer surprise by anything Ryr does, just when you think they hit rock bottom they manage to lower it further. Not only that, but the next numpty whose mummy and daddys bank balance is inversely proportional to said numpty's IQ turns up to pay for the pleasure.
Wowwww 1500 hrs, bloody hell, thats alot. It certainly puts the 20000 - 30000 hour ex concorde,777 and 747 trainers who i had the pleasure of being trained by into perspective.
I am no longer surprise by anything Ryr does, just when you think they hit rock bottom they manage to lower it further. Not only that, but the next numpty whose mummy and daddys bank balance is inversely proportional to said numpty's IQ turns up to pay for the pleasure.
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20,000 to 30,000 hours ex concorde etc doesn't qualify you to train. And I also agree that 1500 hrs on a particular type doesn't either. For the high time guy all that equates to is that you have 20,000 or 30,000 hours worth of flight time; but it doesn't mean you can train. Some people seem to make a prerequisit for a trainer to have 'x' amount of hours. Bollocks. Some of the worst instructors I have ever came across are some of the most 'experienced' operators/pilots that I have met. They may know one or two things about an aeroplane, however their idea of teaching is bawling at some laddie in order to scare him into submission. Training is about finding the right type of person with the right type of mentality. It isn't about being so sort of Chuck Yaeger sky god, with multiple type experience; all within a legacy carrier!
However blackred, I'm sure you are a fine pilot. You will have been trained by the best, certainly.
However blackred, I'm sure you are a fine pilot. You will have been trained by the best, certainly.
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Guys,
The SFI's are teaching highly qualified candidates on SOPs and the way RYR want you to attack a certain situations. They are not teaching effects of controls on a 737.
The SFI's are teaching highly qualified candidates on SOPs and the way RYR want you to attack a certain situations. They are not teaching effects of controls on a 737.
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What about all the guys with you at EZY coming off the CTC sausage machine with even worse terms? Some declaring bankruptcy I believe.
All these guys paying for the pleasure too.
When I did my type rating with FR I had an ex 747 skipper doing most my sims.
Big wham.
Do me a favour and get off that stupidly high horse of yours.
All these guys paying for the pleasure too.
When I did my type rating with FR I had an ex 747 skipper doing most my sims.
Big wham.
Do me a favour and get off that stupidly high horse of yours.
blackred1443:
"1500 is the very minimum"
So how do you imagine the creamed-off students in the RAF who got sent off to CFS just after getting their wings, with less than 300 hours in their logbooks, to learn to be instructors managed to cope?
I had my command on 4-engined turbo props with 1521 hours in my logbook. I was a training captain (on the aeroplane - we didn't have a simulator) with less than 2000 hours in my logbook.
Mind you, I had quality training.
"1500 is the very minimum"
So how do you imagine the creamed-off students in the RAF who got sent off to CFS just after getting their wings, with less than 300 hours in their logbooks, to learn to be instructors managed to cope?
I had my command on 4-engined turbo props with 1521 hours in my logbook. I was a training captain (on the aeroplane - we didn't have a simulator) with less than 2000 hours in my logbook.
Mind you, I had quality training.
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VJW: I know lots of Captains who joined RYR via direct entry, who were TRE's at their previous company who keep it valid at their own expense and don't exercise it for RYR.
How does this work? I thought you need to be sponsored by a TRTO. A few years ago, when my TRE was converetd into a JAA version, you could check out any JAA licenced pilot. Now I'm told my checking validity is only under the sponsoring TRTO, i.e. the airline I'm working for. If this restriction is true, how can someone maintain themselves as an independant TRE, or be sponsored by a TRTO they don't work for? I can ask permission/discretion to perform a one-off check on an ad-hoc basis outside of my TRTO. Further, when I left my first TRTO I was told my TRE lapsed automatically. This was 2000.
How does this work? I thought you need to be sponsored by a TRTO. A few years ago, when my TRE was converetd into a JAA version, you could check out any JAA licenced pilot. Now I'm told my checking validity is only under the sponsoring TRTO, i.e. the airline I'm working for. If this restriction is true, how can someone maintain themselves as an independant TRE, or be sponsored by a TRTO they don't work for? I can ask permission/discretion to perform a one-off check on an ad-hoc basis outside of my TRTO. Further, when I left my first TRTO I was told my TRE lapsed automatically. This was 2000.
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Must be a Nigel
Don't mean to get involved in all this company bashing, but if you ask me, (which I know your not), but it sounds like you sir (blackred1443) are BA.
In that case, I know of a few people who are FO TRIs down your way. They do EXACTLY the same job as Ryanair SFIs. So because they are in a blue and silver uniform and have a little hat makes it fine, however if Ryanair do it then it is horrific!!
Also, referring to the point that people who are SFIs tend to do better in the command course, that often has a little to do with the fact they are part of the training department if you know what I mean.
The command course is nothing to do with how you fly the plane on one engine, or how well you read the checklist. Do what you have done for the past 4 years and you can pass the 4 day command sims with ease. It is all about how you manage the day to day operations. Your decision making process. Just because you have 500 hours of sitting in the back of a full motion MS Flight Sim doesn't mean you can interact well with ground staff and cabin crew, ops and crewing, and most importantly multitask 5 things at once on a 25 min turn around when it is winter ops and your running late!!
Everyone bashes Ryanair, and believe me when I say I am not the biggest FR fan in the world, but look at our stats compared to all the other companies in the UK. You will see that accidents, incidents and the like are no different any other operator including BA!! It just in Ryanair you don't have to wait for 60 year old Nigel to pop his clogs or take his final salary pension before you can leave the comfort of the RHS where you have been for the last 15 years waiting for your number to come up.
Put it this way, it's not a willy waving competition, but Ryanair is no Onur Air!!
In that case, I know of a few people who are FO TRIs down your way. They do EXACTLY the same job as Ryanair SFIs. So because they are in a blue and silver uniform and have a little hat makes it fine, however if Ryanair do it then it is horrific!!
Also, referring to the point that people who are SFIs tend to do better in the command course, that often has a little to do with the fact they are part of the training department if you know what I mean.
The command course is nothing to do with how you fly the plane on one engine, or how well you read the checklist. Do what you have done for the past 4 years and you can pass the 4 day command sims with ease. It is all about how you manage the day to day operations. Your decision making process. Just because you have 500 hours of sitting in the back of a full motion MS Flight Sim doesn't mean you can interact well with ground staff and cabin crew, ops and crewing, and most importantly multitask 5 things at once on a 25 min turn around when it is winter ops and your running late!!
Everyone bashes Ryanair, and believe me when I say I am not the biggest FR fan in the world, but look at our stats compared to all the other companies in the UK. You will see that accidents, incidents and the like are no different any other operator including BA!! It just in Ryanair you don't have to wait for 60 year old Nigel to pop his clogs or take his final salary pension before you can leave the comfort of the RHS where you have been for the last 15 years waiting for your number to come up.
Put it this way, it's not a willy waving competition, but Ryanair is no Onur Air!!
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hey guys,
this is for sloppy joe, i'm sure I will not have been the first one to tell you this, but your a complete idiot a fool of the highest regard. Their is defo strange things happening in aviation when they let people in that can't even read...tit
this is for sloppy joe, i'm sure I will not have been the first one to tell you this, but your a complete idiot a fool of the highest regard. Their is defo strange things happening in aviation when they let people in that can't even read...tit
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Worst instructor I've ever had: 737-300 TRI with 20000 hours of Phantom, F15, 727 and 737. Just yelled at you the whole time.
I don't care if you can do Sudoku while hovering in a Harrier. I don't care that if you look young enough to be my son or daughter. If I sit in the taxi thinking "that was a useful sim", you get my vote.
It's the same as the pointless debate about how many hours you should have to be the RHS of a jet. It's about STANDARDS. As long as you have a professional and experienced training management team, they will make sure that FO hiring, initial line checks, command upgrades and training promotions will be given to be people who make the grade. Will they get it right 100% of the time? Off course not. But the whole process has nothing to do with how many hours and how many types you have flown (within the minima of the regulators, obviously).
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I don't care if you can do Sudoku while hovering in a Harrier. I don't care that if you look young enough to be my son or daughter. If I sit in the taxi thinking "that was a useful sim", you get my vote.
It's the same as the pointless debate about how many hours you should have to be the RHS of a jet. It's about STANDARDS. As long as you have a professional and experienced training management team, they will make sure that FO hiring, initial line checks, command upgrades and training promotions will be given to be people who make the grade. Will they get it right 100% of the time? Off course not. But the whole process has nothing to do with how many hours and how many types you have flown (within the minima of the regulators, obviously).
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To Peba,
There are many options for TRI course. Let say, try this one; proaviator.aero
To RAT 5
You may be TRE not only in TRTO, but as well as TRE on list of your Aviation Authority. That is how independent TREs exist.
is there anywhere you can do a tri tre course and pay for it by yourself?just a thought!!
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You may be TRE not only in TRTO, but as well as TRE on list of your Aviation Authority. That is how independent TREs exist.
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Some extra information for those interested.
Contract supposedly last for one flying year. Although some are individually negotiated the basic one seems to be 1 week flying 3 weeks sim. Either based at EMA or at STN. You're allowed to pick the flights you would like to do in your flying week.
T&C's of your individual contract apply to your flying week. T&C's of your SFI contract apply to sim weeks.
Rumoured pay at €450 for each planned sim session. No figures or TRI or TRE payscales though.
Contract supposedly last for one flying year. Although some are individually negotiated the basic one seems to be 1 week flying 3 weeks sim. Either based at EMA or at STN. You're allowed to pick the flights you would like to do in your flying week.
T&C's of your individual contract apply to your flying week. T&C's of your SFI contract apply to sim weeks.
Rumoured pay at €450 for each planned sim session. No figures or TRI or TRE payscales though.
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You're allowed to pick the flights you would like to do in your flying week.
Rumoured pay at €450 for each planned sim session
T&C's of your individual contract apply to your flying week. T&C's of your SFI contract apply to sim weeks.