Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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Thanks for the info guys.
FR1A you`re right, I slightly quoted that wrong but it could have gone misunderstood.
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FR1A you`re right, I slightly quoted that wrong but it could have gone misunderstood.
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and I agree with you that everybody should join
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To all fellow FR crew;
Get onto REPA.
If you do not find the experience enlightening and rewarding, and if you do not believe in the potential of a united pilot body, I will buy you a beer.
Genuine offer. Nothing to loose.........
Get onto REPA.
If you do not find the experience enlightening and rewarding, and if you do not believe in the potential of a united pilot body, I will buy you a beer.
Genuine offer. Nothing to loose.........
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"At the moment we are sticking with the Cadet System - seems to be working as we don't have to iron out bad habits picked up in other airlines. This may change in the future depending on how things develop with the current mass migration to apparent greener pastures."
Are you saying that the RYR SOP regime is perfect and that airlines such as BA, EK etc do not have to iron out some RYR habits? If this arrogant attitude was exported around the world no-one would be moving on to anywhere. The celtic tiger had the same attitude and it is nearly extinct.
Are you saying that the RYR SOP regime is perfect and that airlines such as BA, EK etc do not have to iron out some RYR habits? If this arrogant attitude was exported around the world no-one would be moving on to anywhere. The celtic tiger had the same attitude and it is nearly extinct.
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I'm sure BA et al have to iron out some of our habits good and bad. But they keep taking more and more of us so I can only assume they are happy with what they get.
I'm quite a humble person so you are way off the mark with the arrogant comment.
It's far from my decision as to who we hire and from which demographic, but over the years we've been through them all. At the moment it's the turn of the cadet.
I think the Exodus Plan was in the brief case that bounced off JD's head and he's supposedly off to the desert himself.
I'm sure BA et al have to iron out some of our habits good and bad. But they keep taking more and more of us so I can only assume they are happy with what they get.
I'm quite a humble person so you are way off the mark with the arrogant comment.
It's far from my decision as to who we hire and from which demographic, but over the years we've been through them all. At the moment it's the turn of the cadet.
I think the Exodus Plan was in the brief case that bounced off JD's head and he's supposedly off to the desert himself.
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I'm a Ryanair pilot, so I can say these things
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FR1A: I did not infer you were arrogant, but rather those who reject experience and talent and do not consider such peolpe to be a sound future investment. Given the rate of expansion and demand for captains, perhaps the shortage of suitable experienced SFO's to upgrade is showing that policy to have been flawed. I would have thought it harder to get a DEC to change spots not an out of work SFO keen/eager & grateful to have a job. If the sop's are so wonderful and magic, I, as an SFO being shown the light by such an enlightened operator, would have cried halleluja to have had the clouds of ignorance lifted; rather than grumped/sulked and caused problems for all who come after.
perhaps the shortage of suitable experienced SFO's to upgrade is showing that policy to have been flawed
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Ryanair will kill it´self if they don´t make a big change in how thay treat staff.
When staff demands are getting higher in the comming years, fokes will leave and create an exspensive hole in crew demands. Crew will always go for the best job that suits them.
For over 10 years ago Easy paid Dec 50000£ just to sign a contract due to Fc lack. Next time it´will get worse since we don´t have this pension issue last time when thay exstended it to 65.
Sit down and relax guys, there will be a better job for all who work´s for a ****ty company..
Also those guys that pay for a rating in a company cash - Save your money, because most banks will not loan money out anymore on your bare face...
Threat your collages like you like to be treated, and this profession will get better overt time..
When staff demands are getting higher in the comming years, fokes will leave and create an exspensive hole in crew demands. Crew will always go for the best job that suits them.
For over 10 years ago Easy paid Dec 50000£ just to sign a contract due to Fc lack. Next time it´will get worse since we don´t have this pension issue last time when thay exstended it to 65.
Sit down and relax guys, there will be a better job for all who work´s for a ****ty company..
Also those guys that pay for a rating in a company cash - Save your money, because most banks will not loan money out anymore on your bare face...
Threat your collages like you like to be treated, and this profession will get better overt time..
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Guys/Girls,
Can we get back on topic please?
Currently, I'm seeing alot of F/O's out of base. I'm guessing these are short term fixes, as I have flown with guys from other bases, when at he same time there have been F/O's from our base flying elsewhere
Now that SAS have opened recruitment, it will be interesting to see what happens in NYO, RYG and possibly even STN.
Could you imagine if Easy suddenly opened up for DE F/O's....very unlikely...but I would love to see the look on PB, DR etc. faces!
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Can we get back on topic please?
Currently, I'm seeing alot of F/O's out of base. I'm guessing these are short term fixes, as I have flown with guys from other bases, when at he same time there have been F/O's from our base flying elsewhere
Now that SAS have opened recruitment, it will be interesting to see what happens in NYO, RYG and possibly even STN.
Could you imagine if Easy suddenly opened up for DE F/O's....very unlikely...but I would love to see the look on PB, DR etc. faces!
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you might want to re-think Cathay..!
A brand new joiner today, taking his position on the bottom of the seniority list, would wait until 2036 until he reached a seniority position of 968 (the number of captains today) - 26 years to command.
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but is this not the same story we keep hearing....
Guys/Galls,
Is this not the same thing we always see regarding Ryanair: MASS EXODUS - RYANAIR MUST DO SOMETHING??
I am in RYR and know of many many people who are LOOKING but the questions is, as always; how many are actually leaving?? I heard from one of the trainers today that JC is off to FlyDubai as CP along with a 10 Capts? Still to find anyone who can actually confirm this, but that would be some confirmation of a trend to leave. I fly with the odd F/O who says he's applied to VS, BA, EK, etc and have seen a few leave for these pastures however overall I wouldn't say that I've personally seen a MASS EXODUS. I will say this though - the ones that have left are the ones that would of done well as a Capt - the good guys.
The pay "rise" (Reduction), base change for new Capt, pay reduction, etc is not helping the mood, true. However there are still plenty of guys who are reaping it in working days off, etc on top of their normal rosters. I will confirm that I am bouncing off 100hrs at the moment, which I haven't done since the last summer of the 5/3 in STN. However if people want to make an impact then stop talking about it and go. Personally if any of my applications come through then I will be saying Ciao and moving on. In the mean time though people should stop moaning that management aren't aware - they are, but is anyone seriously expecting the RYR Board to put a memo out on Friday confirming that the company is short of pilots??
Its Ryanair! We all knew what they were like before we joined!
Is this not the same thing we always see regarding Ryanair: MASS EXODUS - RYANAIR MUST DO SOMETHING??
I am in RYR and know of many many people who are LOOKING but the questions is, as always; how many are actually leaving?? I heard from one of the trainers today that JC is off to FlyDubai as CP along with a 10 Capts? Still to find anyone who can actually confirm this, but that would be some confirmation of a trend to leave. I fly with the odd F/O who says he's applied to VS, BA, EK, etc and have seen a few leave for these pastures however overall I wouldn't say that I've personally seen a MASS EXODUS. I will say this though - the ones that have left are the ones that would of done well as a Capt - the good guys.
The pay "rise" (Reduction), base change for new Capt, pay reduction, etc is not helping the mood, true. However there are still plenty of guys who are reaping it in working days off, etc on top of their normal rosters. I will confirm that I am bouncing off 100hrs at the moment, which I haven't done since the last summer of the 5/3 in STN. However if people want to make an impact then stop talking about it and go. Personally if any of my applications come through then I will be saying Ciao and moving on. In the mean time though people should stop moaning that management aren't aware - they are, but is anyone seriously expecting the RYR Board to put a memo out on Friday confirming that the company is short of pilots??
Its Ryanair! We all knew what they were like before we joined!
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Guys/Galls,
I fly with the odd F/O who says he's applied to VS, BA, EK, etc and have seen a few leave for these pastures however overall I wouldn't say that I've personally seen a MASS EXODUS. I will say this though - the ones that have left are the ones that would of done well as a Capt - the good guys.
I fly with the odd F/O who says he's applied to VS, BA, EK, etc and have seen a few leave for these pastures however overall I wouldn't say that I've personally seen a MASS EXODUS. I will say this though - the ones that have left are the ones that would of done well as a Capt - the good guys.
We are constantly growing. Time to command is only 2900 hours / 3.5 years. No other airlines promotes so quickly
Unlikely I'm afraid.
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Yeah fair enough when the aircraft stop coming there won't be such a massive need for upgrades but I don't think it will get longer overnight, they are still short now and there ain't exactly an aircraft arriving every week, the last one is not due to arrive I believe until late sumer 2012, with recruitment picking up elsewhere some people will still be tempted to go elsewhere and leave a hole to fill
Tomorrow never comes
The start of this thread is certain summer chaos due to crew shortages. That was the summer 2010, and half way through summer 2011 armageddon seems to still be not quite here yet.
Ryanair continues to do its main job, create value for the shareholders. It is not a pilot employment benevolent fund. It really can't be that badly run as it continues to expand and make money.
Look at the other threads, is life so much better at Jet, Cathay, Air X China? it seems not. Would anyone on here reading the emirates threads want to go there?
For a young person starting out it still offers an attractive deal. You pay for a type rating, but where else in the industry can you make captain by mid to late twenties and good money to boot. If I was starting out I'd take the deal in a flash. When the deal makes no sense the takers will stop lining up.
If the market continues to expand they might have to increase the money, but people will still leave to a change of scenery or to fly a bigger jet.
Bottom line is there is no exodus and there is never going to be one. If attrition gets above what they expect to see there will be a little squeeze of extra cash. Until that happens don't expect any changes.
Ryanair continues to do its main job, create value for the shareholders. It is not a pilot employment benevolent fund. It really can't be that badly run as it continues to expand and make money.
Look at the other threads, is life so much better at Jet, Cathay, Air X China? it seems not. Would anyone on here reading the emirates threads want to go there?
For a young person starting out it still offers an attractive deal. You pay for a type rating, but where else in the industry can you make captain by mid to late twenties and good money to boot. If I was starting out I'd take the deal in a flash. When the deal makes no sense the takers will stop lining up.
If the market continues to expand they might have to increase the money, but people will still leave to a change of scenery or to fly a bigger jet.
Bottom line is there is no exodus and there is never going to be one. If attrition gets above what they expect to see there will be a little squeeze of extra cash. Until that happens don't expect any changes.
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To 20driver,
Have you been working for Ryanair ?
I can tell you that I have never seen anything like Ryanair and I have seen companies all over the world.
The biggest problem that many of you seem not to understand is that the Ryanair model if not stopped , will spread all over the world and our future will be over.
We are becoming not more than train or bus drivers and are loosing all the respect.
Have you been working for Ryanair ?
I can tell you that I have never seen anything like Ryanair and I have seen companies all over the world.
The biggest problem that many of you seem not to understand is that the Ryanair model if not stopped , will spread all over the world and our future will be over.
We are becoming not more than train or bus drivers and are loosing all the respect.
Ryanair continues to do its main job, create value for the shareholders.
I completely refute this statement. Any company's main job is to provide a service to its customers. Have a look at its Memorandum and Articles of Association if you doubt me. Any company that misconstrues its stated purpose of existence so as to make money at all costs because its main shareholders are its top management is surely inherently flawed in my book. And I'm no socialist.
It really can't be that badly run as it continues to expand and make money