Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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Who's got any invite from EK after their day out in LHR? A friend of mine got the call that he was OK, yet nothing has materialised out of it.
I was in Dubai not so long ago and looks like they need a lot of guys.
Do you think Ryanair will make it over this summer? I reckon they may just do it. Next summer however...not so sure. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch....!!!
I was in Dubai not so long ago and looks like they need a lot of guys.
Do you think Ryanair will make it over this summer? I reckon they may just do it. Next summer however...not so sure. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch....!!!
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The screw is turning the pilot group is gaining momentum in Ryanair,We are not afraid anymore of managements bullying tactics,
The reality is we know we all have a raw deal here after all the hard work we have put in and do everyday with this company and earining below average wage,
this company is earning hundreds of millions of profit every year and management still unwilling to lift a finger to improve peoples lives of its workforce or stop destroying them.
Recent events show that no-one can aford to stand idly by we all have a choice here to make. you stand up for yourself or eventually it could be you that becomes a victim of this company....
You Should act if you have not.
The path to success is threw massive determined action !!!Join your union and join REPA for all our sakes
The reality is we know we all have a raw deal here after all the hard work we have put in and do everyday with this company and earining below average wage,
this company is earning hundreds of millions of profit every year and management still unwilling to lift a finger to improve peoples lives of its workforce or stop destroying them.
Recent events show that no-one can aford to stand idly by we all have a choice here to make. you stand up for yourself or eventually it could be you that becomes a victim of this company....
You Should act if you have not.
The path to success is threw massive determined action !!!Join your union and join REPA for all our sakes
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while it couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of idiots, could people please try and name the bases we are talking about,i believe it will help those there to stand together and fight.
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I heard it was our beloved 'Head of Production' who was on the wrong end of a chair in that meeting. Due to crewing issues, we are unable to deliver the promised growth at DUB that would have satisfied the Government etc. to reduce the airport pax tax....oh dear, O'Leary has squandered yet more money again! T@#t!
When wil the shareholders wake up and get rid? Your time is up number 5....maybe when he receives his big fat dividend later this year?
When wil the shareholders wake up and get rid? Your time is up number 5....maybe when he receives his big fat dividend later this year?
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Read this week that MOL has stated that 80 aircraft will be parked up this winter if the fuel price doesnt subside... now that's quite scary as I dont see it going south in the next couple of months and the winter raises demand and prices.
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not only can they not replace like-for-like in terms of experience and command upgrade potential, but the underlying quality of their current and future pilot workforce is being eroded.
However, dont despair, i'm sure they know what they're doing - otherwise they wouldn't have had the nerve to treat their workforce (i cant use the word 'employees', because they aren't) with the contempt they have over the last 2 -3 years.
However, dont despair, i'm sure they know what they're doing - otherwise they wouldn't have had the nerve to treat their workforce (i cant use the word 'employees', because they aren't) with the contempt they have over the last 2 -3 years.
Ryanair have always been known for having good training standards and now look where it has got them.
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For those thinking this summer is going to be such a train wreck you are sadly mistaken.
We're already nearly halfway through June and I still need to see the first report on a cancelled flight solely due to a crew shortage. All BRK 'service providers' received a memo declaring there will be no A/L allocated during the summer months.
Granted they are plugging holes everywhere with BRK pilots. Several of my colleagues are doing one or two days out of base then coming back to their base for the rest of their duty week.
After August things will slow down again. By the next summer however the flow of new aircraft will have seized. Ryanair is not buying any new aircraft for the foreseeable future. This has the following implications:
1. The shortage of captains will disappear. The only reason why we have been short over the years is because of expansion. NOT because people are leaving. I'm not saying people aren't leaving. But not in droves like 'rumour' has it.
2. With expansion ending there will come an end to the 3000 hours to command mantra all F/O's have come to take as a given. With normal attrition and pensioning/leave of older CP's I would imagine between 4 and 6 years before command as opposed to the 3 years it is now.
3. There is never a shortage of pilots on the market. Ryanair will not have any trouble attraction DEFO's or DEC's to fill the few gaps they might have after expansion stops.
So what do you do as a pilot in this situation? You look at the places in the world where they are still expanding. For 90% of us this means selling our soul for a few drops of water in the desert (almost literally).
We're already nearly halfway through June and I still need to see the first report on a cancelled flight solely due to a crew shortage. All BRK 'service providers' received a memo declaring there will be no A/L allocated during the summer months.
Granted they are plugging holes everywhere with BRK pilots. Several of my colleagues are doing one or two days out of base then coming back to their base for the rest of their duty week.
After August things will slow down again. By the next summer however the flow of new aircraft will have seized. Ryanair is not buying any new aircraft for the foreseeable future. This has the following implications:
1. The shortage of captains will disappear. The only reason why we have been short over the years is because of expansion. NOT because people are leaving. I'm not saying people aren't leaving. But not in droves like 'rumour' has it.
2. With expansion ending there will come an end to the 3000 hours to command mantra all F/O's have come to take as a given. With normal attrition and pensioning/leave of older CP's I would imagine between 4 and 6 years before command as opposed to the 3 years it is now.
3. There is never a shortage of pilots on the market. Ryanair will not have any trouble attraction DEFO's or DEC's to fill the few gaps they might have after expansion stops.
So what do you do as a pilot in this situation? You look at the places in the world where they are still expanding. For 90% of us this means selling our soul for a few drops of water in the desert (almost literally).
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And then have a fatal accident as a result. That would change things.
Air France accidents and incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Airfrance are a huge global carrier who have been around for almost a century so yeah they've lost a couple of airplanes, your point being? Were any of them down to fatigued flight crew...
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Regardless of the fact they lost 3 hulls and over 300 people in the last 10 years alone, my point was that fatal accidents occur at airlines who supposedly do not employ "shyte" pilots with "shyte" training.
I also have the distinct feeling certain people are looking for the opportunity to point at an accident and imply Low Cost means Low Safety.
That will be enough thread creep for now.
I also have the distinct feeling certain people are looking for the opportunity to point at an accident and imply Low Cost means Low Safety.
That will be enough thread creep for now.
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one thing I must emphasize here: ALL "brookfield" pilots are EMPLOYEES of Ryanair. They are certainly NOT self employed. The EU law regarding false self employment is very clear on this. ALL pilots flying FR aircraft are employees of Ryanair. All Brookfield contracts are completely illegal.
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For those thinking this summer is going to be such a train wreck you are sadly mistaken.
Did anyone read the piece in the Finanacial Times on May 23rd?? I quote from it below - pay attention to the last paragraph....
The airline will take delivery of 25 new aircraft over the coming months, bringing its total fleet to 292, but will not put them into service until the next summer schedule, starting in April 2012.
For the first time, the company will also ground up to 55 aircraft in its existing fleet to offset the high cost of fuel, cutting capacity as much as 5 per cent in the fiscal fourth quarter.
Michael O’Leary, chief executive, said the measure was necessary to “protect” the carrier’s profitability and would likely lead to some redundancies among pilots, cabin crew and engineers.
For the first time, the company will also ground up to 55 aircraft in its existing fleet to offset the high cost of fuel, cutting capacity as much as 5 per cent in the fiscal fourth quarter.
Michael O’Leary, chief executive, said the measure was necessary to “protect” the carrier’s profitability and would likely lead to some redundancies among pilots, cabin crew and engineers.
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IMHO, credit goes to the Training Department, SOP's and of course to the line pilots. NO THANKS of course to the a##ehole management team for trying to line up the holes in the Swiss Cheese model.
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No, credit goes to a damn good aeroplane a lot of luck and a few good men and women. Too many utterly ridiculous incidents in the last 12-18 months to give any other dept praise. The culture and rule based training is beginning to crack!
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Kernow 101....at last some common sense on this thread
John R -
flight crew on last flight of a 5/3 roster....so what, the roster is stable, sufficient time for rest
operating out of base.....positioning on days off, ok it can be annoying, doesn't make me any more tired
financial difficulties - pay is actually not to bad, could be better, alot of airlines far worse
Brookfield contractors/irregular hours - not the case, my hours are very regular
inexperienced flight crew - could happen in any airline
min hrs capt/new F/O - ops manual should prevent this
privileges removed - has only happened to three FOs apparently, follow the rules, keep your privileges
flight crew demoralised - no comment
"Reading it makes me wonder how they've managed to avert a serious incident thus far" - rediculous comment from someone who obviously has no experience in this airline
The situations quoted could happen anywhere for any airline, I wouldn't wish a hull loss or fatalities on anyone, robust sop's excellent training and facilities (and yes excellent aircraft), the guys and girls at FR work very hard, conditions are not ideal, will they get better? who knows?
time to get the thread back on track without the usual FR bashing
John R -
flight crew on last flight of a 5/3 roster....so what, the roster is stable, sufficient time for rest
operating out of base.....positioning on days off, ok it can be annoying, doesn't make me any more tired
financial difficulties - pay is actually not to bad, could be better, alot of airlines far worse
Brookfield contractors/irregular hours - not the case, my hours are very regular
inexperienced flight crew - could happen in any airline
min hrs capt/new F/O - ops manual should prevent this
privileges removed - has only happened to three FOs apparently, follow the rules, keep your privileges
flight crew demoralised - no comment
"Reading it makes me wonder how they've managed to avert a serious incident thus far" - rediculous comment from someone who obviously has no experience in this airline
The situations quoted could happen anywhere for any airline, I wouldn't wish a hull loss or fatalities on anyone, robust sop's excellent training and facilities (and yes excellent aircraft), the guys and girls at FR work very hard, conditions are not ideal, will they get better? who knows?
time to get the thread back on track without the usual FR bashing