Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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If you guys that only speak one language took to the books and learned another language you would be more marketable. That why UK is packed with us foreign pilots, because we know your language and can fit in socially. You cant complain that lufthansa and other national carriers prefers pilots being capable of communicating in their language, its the exact same in England. I dont see BA, FLYBE, BMI, EASY, THOMSON or any other here ever take on anyone only speaking french or italian!
Im on my way back to hometurf in Scandinavia after ten years in England, without the language I would be stuck in UK.
Im on my way back to hometurf in Scandinavia after ten years in England, without the language I would be stuck in UK.
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dire straights, a little patronising perhaps?! i dont think anyone is complaining. believe it or not i dont fancy learning norwegian so that i can apply to SAS, or italian so i can go to alitalia. i have a second language and it makes me barely any more marketable, because in that one country where they speak that language, they would rather just employ their own people and who can blame them? speaking english as a first language is an advantage, however.
maybe i'll start arabic classes.
maybe i'll start arabic classes.
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Dire Straits said:
Is that you fitting in socially? Porque creo que es mas dificil entonces. Peut etre c'est une question de politesse. Old chap.
By the way Iberia is a no go despite my fluent Spanish, and Air France? Well....
If you guys that only speak one language took to the books and learned another language you would be more marketable. That why UK is packed with us foreign pilots, because we know your language and can fit in socially.
By the way Iberia is a no go despite my fluent Spanish, and Air France? Well....
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Personally I know of 4 FOs with interviews at BA. 6 FOs for Emirates. And I recently met with a few younger captains that are electing to go into the right hand seat of a 777 with Etihad.
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Happy New Year PB
Pressman,
well not wanting to doubt your claim in anyway. how about you tell us all how you are coming to that assertion...rather than just one line!!!
personally I know around 25 jumping ship, mixture between captains and first officers...
25/2500 = 1 percent... Put it this way, One Single Pilot (ME!) knowing 1 percent of the pilot workforce in RYR ready to leave....Can you imagine all the other pilots about to do the same that I am unaware of...
the flood gates are about to open up over the coming months, there is no doubt !!!
and PB.....a fact I am sure you are well aware of by now, you are absolutely screwed for Captains, couldnt happen to a nicer group of twisted managers!! insensitive to employee requests (location due family etc)...this is all well documented at this stage.... and your loyal understudy DR is no different, two sides of the same dirty old coin if you ask me.
PB, I have flown with a number of senior FO's recently and should you approach them about command, don't be surprised when they tell you where you should stick it!! This feeling is felt amongst a large number of the senior FO community at the moment within FR...and the company is only hurting themselves in the long run....
I guess PB, we will expect your face to appear in Germany and around other bases within Europe, on the hunt for command upgrade candidates, no doubt you will reel in a certain few, but man, you are going to fall way short....happy hunting !!
well not wanting to doubt your claim in anyway. how about you tell us all how you are coming to that assertion...rather than just one line!!!
personally I know around 25 jumping ship, mixture between captains and first officers...
25/2500 = 1 percent... Put it this way, One Single Pilot (ME!) knowing 1 percent of the pilot workforce in RYR ready to leave....Can you imagine all the other pilots about to do the same that I am unaware of...
the flood gates are about to open up over the coming months, there is no doubt !!!
and PB.....a fact I am sure you are well aware of by now, you are absolutely screwed for Captains, couldnt happen to a nicer group of twisted managers!! insensitive to employee requests (location due family etc)...this is all well documented at this stage.... and your loyal understudy DR is no different, two sides of the same dirty old coin if you ask me.
PB, I have flown with a number of senior FO's recently and should you approach them about command, don't be surprised when they tell you where you should stick it!! This feeling is felt amongst a large number of the senior FO community at the moment within FR...and the company is only hurting themselves in the long run....
I guess PB, we will expect your face to appear in Germany and around other bases within Europe, on the hunt for command upgrade candidates, no doubt you will reel in a certain few, but man, you are going to fall way short....happy hunting !!
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Is the 10% for RYR contract guys? reason I ask is I spoke to a new captain fresh of the CU course and asked him about the reduction and he said hes on full rate, so I assume the 10% is for RYR contract only?
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Pay reduction is across the board. All new entries and CU are on Brookfield contracts with a reduction in the hourly pay rate. Those on Ryanair contracts are subject to the "Ryanair cost of living index."
Basically it means that Ryanair has established a certain index by which they judge the cost of living in the country where you base is located. From that index your basic salary is derived. Someone from Barcelona and someone from Hahn, on Ryanair contract, do not have the same basic salary.
A third option is that you receive a base transfer on grounds of a reduced salary in the other base. Basically, you can prostitute yourself to get a certain base by accepting the lowest basic salary for that base.
Divide and conquer!
Basically it means that Ryanair has established a certain index by which they judge the cost of living in the country where you base is located. From that index your basic salary is derived. Someone from Barcelona and someone from Hahn, on Ryanair contract, do not have the same basic salary.
A third option is that you receive a base transfer on grounds of a reduced salary in the other base. Basically, you can prostitute yourself to get a certain base by accepting the lowest basic salary for that base.
Divide and conquer!
Tell them to stick it chaps -how much longer as a professional group are we going to allow ourselves to be collectively shafted. It is not just Ryanair,although of course they are industry leaders in their awfulness.
This is the unacceptable face of capitalism: greed reigns at board/ management level no doubt propelled by envy of the loathsome bankers. Time to make a stand methinks. Flying a 737 while bringing your own sarnies isn't that great - trust me.
This is the unacceptable face of capitalism: greed reigns at board/ management level no doubt propelled by envy of the loathsome bankers. Time to make a stand methinks. Flying a 737 while bringing your own sarnies isn't that great - trust me.
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To be perfectly honest with you Ryanair always takes the flack for everything. But aside from the major companies I don't see much of a difference between Ryanair and the others. I've got friends flying a command on the 737 for Belgian companies, take home pay €3000...
Olster, while I follow your sentiment I always wonder what I'll do after I tell PB to stick it...
edit: I often joke to my colleagues I'm willing to bet former RYR pilots turn up for their next job with their sandwiches in their flight bags out of habit
Olster, while I follow your sentiment I always wonder what I'll do after I tell PB to stick it...
edit: I often joke to my colleagues I'm willing to bet former RYR pilots turn up for their next job with their sandwiches in their flight bags out of habit
I do not wish to criticize Ryanair pilots - I know that their operational / training standards are bloody good - they have to be I guess and I know a few trainers there that are top of the tree.
However... I get more depressed year after year as I watch a great industry which has served me well for 34 years drive pilot t and c's into the gutter and somehow we blindly accept this and the greed/ awfulness of those that pretend to manage us benefit financially at our expense.
You are right - Ryanair are not the only offenders - some of the contract pilot positions are derisory in the deals on offer and I believe agencies do not generally help the pilot cause.
We should stick together - unions anybody -but I am not holding my breath.
Safe flying in 2011
However... I get more depressed year after year as I watch a great industry which has served me well for 34 years drive pilot t and c's into the gutter and somehow we blindly accept this and the greed/ awfulness of those that pretend to manage us benefit financially at our expense.
You are right - Ryanair are not the only offenders - some of the contract pilot positions are derisory in the deals on offer and I believe agencies do not generally help the pilot cause.
We should stick together - unions anybody -but I am not holding my breath.
Safe flying in 2011
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Lads your absolutely right how long are Ryanair pilots going to take this.Latest rumour is that all bases will be changing to 5,3 from the summer due to the exodus.There will be a carrot though the supposed 3 pc raise.
People need to learn if we dont stand togetheir we get bent over.
Its up to each and everyone of YOU your choice the functions are there for us to stop this crap REPA IALPA BALPA.
all you have to do is pledge your support its confidential then maybe we have a chance to stop the rot...
People need to learn if we dont stand togetheir we get bent over.
Its up to each and everyone of YOU your choice the functions are there for us to stop this crap REPA IALPA BALPA.
all you have to do is pledge your support its confidential then maybe we have a chance to stop the rot...