Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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Could the pressure on crews in the summer have something to do with how many a/c RYR expect to park during the winter? Crew up for the winter schedules, plus an X%, and hope you can muddle through the summer with no/little leave and crews filling in on days off and gamble having too few SBY's. Been there, done that; it's an old trick and will work only if everyone says yes. It's called cost saving, but they don't tell you it's being planned. What is true, it can not be sustained indefinitely. It is a short term cost saving measure, but it will bite back.
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Just to throw my 2 pence worth in, I know from talking to various people who I would believe to be in the know, there is a problem in the company with a lack of F/O's with 2700+ hours willing to start the command upgrade for the very reason cited on this thread, such as:
leaving their base for another which could be anywhere in Southern Europe on a 5/3 roster with no chance of commuting for a reasonable family life. The new Capt salary on RYR contract anyway is approx only euro 600 a month more than that of a RYR F/O who has done 3-4 years (this money of course will barely cover the accommodation cost.
So your quality of life is reduced (more so if you have a family)
More responsibility without the bonus of a fair pay packet. Where is the incentive?
Suggestions.
A transparent base system, i.e agreed before training
A web based leave system for crews to make leave applications easier and fairer.
DO not have new captain's on a ultra low new contract salary which is cut by 10% for year 1.
these fixes would solve a lot of problems encourage FO's to upgrade and keep more pilots at Ryanair.
Anyway I'm not that naive and I was smiling while typing this. You live in hope.
leaving their base for another which could be anywhere in Southern Europe on a 5/3 roster with no chance of commuting for a reasonable family life. The new Capt salary on RYR contract anyway is approx only euro 600 a month more than that of a RYR F/O who has done 3-4 years (this money of course will barely cover the accommodation cost.
So your quality of life is reduced (more so if you have a family)
More responsibility without the bonus of a fair pay packet. Where is the incentive?
Suggestions.
A transparent base system, i.e agreed before training
A web based leave system for crews to make leave applications easier and fairer.
DO not have new captain's on a ultra low new contract salary which is cut by 10% for year 1.
these fixes would solve a lot of problems encourage FO's to upgrade and keep more pilots at Ryanair.
Anyway I'm not that naive and I was smiling while typing this. You live in hope.
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Very true on the Captain upgrades for F/O's from my point of view, Just about at the required hours now for command and I have done zero study towards it, I currently have very little interest in a command here, reasons are I don't trust my current older contract to stay put and don't want the new shi**y ones, def don't want to end up in a 5/3 base in south Italy or somewhere as bad to commute from
I would rather stay on the higher rate F/O pay on 5/4 from my current base with great links home and look for another airline when the time comes or do something else completely rather than take a shafting as a new captain.
I also know a couple of other F/O's here who say exactly the same.
What a sad state of affairs in FR
I would rather stay on the higher rate F/O pay on 5/4 from my current base with great links home and look for another airline when the time comes or do something else completely rather than take a shafting as a new captain.
I also know a couple of other F/O's here who say exactly the same.
What a sad state of affairs in FR
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The new Capt salary on RYR contract anyway is approx only euro 600 a month more than that of a RYR F/O
These new CPs and myself were on the ""Better"" contracts
a number of years ago and in the meantime all the slashing and raping of pay and conditions has meant that both the permanent CP and FO salaries are drastically down over say 4 years ago!You are far better off staying as a FO in ryanair if on one of these "better" contracts if you joined 4-5 yrs ago.
If you have any committments at your home base i.e loved ones, mortgage, hobbies, family, etc, then do not do your upgrade to command under any circumstances. What will it gain you?
Yes we would all love to be captains but for that greedy bastard MOL? i dont think so. For the sake of a better CV? Not on your life if its going to destroy all you've done and worked for and the comforts you have been surrounded by over the last few years.
They can shove their command.
Please God opportunities will come to fruition with a carrier here in the EU who respects their staff - their best and most adaptable asset. Wait and see sure.
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For all you young Ryanair guys/gals who got shafted by that 
O'Leary, a certain very large UK operator will be recruiting sooner than you think. Many think this will continue for years......
B737 ratings will come in handy.
For those of you wanting to stay, maybe time to ask for a big pay rise.
O'Leary, a certain very large UK operator will be recruiting sooner than you think. Many think this will continue for years......B737 ratings will come in handy.
For those of you wanting to stay, maybe time to ask for a big pay rise.
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to DRM, zero and maverick
I am in the same boat, about 2700+ hours, have a base with family nearby and am also not willing to give it up for the upgrade. They better get their $hit together or I'm off to the sandpit, and by the sounds of things I'm not he only one.
just another day at 'crazy clown's airlines'
good luck to all
Goose
I am in the same boat, about 2700+ hours, have a base with family nearby and am also not willing to give it up for the upgrade. They better get their $hit together or I'm off to the sandpit, and by the sounds of things I'm not he only one.
just another day at 'crazy clown's airlines'
good luck to all
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MOL, how does it feel "mate"? I bet this lad is feeling helpless now, now that MARKET FORCES are beginning to turn the screw on his operation....and he has lost face entirely with his recent outbursts...
Ryanair like Anglo, through their "actions", moved up into the big leagues. Once you are there however, Ryanair CEO must learn how to ACT like a CEO of a major airline, the days of pushing people around have gone, the shareholders will no doubt realise this fact, and more harm is being done, than good. There are other guys out that more suitable to this position...
Fair play to the Senior FO's, these professionals are dead right! Number 1 priority is FAMILY and any organisation out there who respects their workforce knows this fact. Ryanair, you have a lot of work to do, until then, the fight goes on!
The Shareholders must be thinking, is this guy an asset or liability?
The way in which he talks down his competitiors, using some of the most dirtiest tactics in the book, its business, not always pleasant, that i can understand BUT ....but to have a cheap shot at a profession and the professionals within this profession...well the public are not stupid, far from it, and they will not fly with an airline where the CEO is coming up with this crap.
He is now punching way above his weight, and needs to move over, He reminds me of the irish bank Anglo, an embarrassment and a thorn in the side of descent irish people.Ryanair like Anglo, through their "actions", moved up into the big leagues. Once you are there however, Ryanair CEO must learn how to ACT like a CEO of a major airline, the days of pushing people around have gone, the shareholders will no doubt realise this fact, and more harm is being done, than good. There are other guys out that more suitable to this position...
Fair play to the Senior FO's, these professionals are dead right! Number 1 priority is FAMILY and any organisation out there who respects their workforce knows this fact. Ryanair, you have a lot of work to do, until then, the fight goes on!
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Can totally empathise with you guys, I'm married with kids and the thought of having to take a promotion and then put up with being miles away from home at the companies leisure would not appeal. Lets hope that they get their act together but sounds like people are starting to vote with their feet and show FR the same level of respect they have shown their staff over the last few years.
Now really is the time to start insisting on being treated with a bit of respect again and not just at FR.....They really have had it their own way toooooooooo long.
If MOL thinks flying is so easy wouldn't you just love to send him up on a dark and stormy night with an engine failure for a Single Engine approach with a crosswind and see how well he got on............of course he could always call on the CC to come help!!!
Words fail me....
Good luck guys.
Now really is the time to start insisting on being treated with a bit of respect again and not just at FR.....They really have had it their own way toooooooooo long.
If MOL thinks flying is so easy wouldn't you just love to send him up on a dark and stormy night with an engine failure for a Single Engine approach with a crosswind and see how well he got on............of course he could always call on the CC to come help!!!
Words fail me....
Good luck guys.
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Well I'm sure there will be a mass exodus of FO's once the larger airlines start recruiting. There will however also be a large queue of wannabes waving there chequebooks at MOL for the opportunity to take your place. He will make a fortune from all those £500 interviews and £20,000 TR's.
The only way that things will change is if the staff make some kind of stand from within the company that will affect his bottom line and drive his costs up.
The only way that things will change is if the staff make some kind of stand from within the company that will affect his bottom line and drive his costs up.
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Will this not have an effect on FO wages though, I mean if MOL thinks FO's are happy to stay FO's then in his world he will see this as 'we must be paying FO's to much' then you know what comes next...
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Ryanair would almost certainly benefit from basing people where they actually wanted to be. In fact I'd say they'd make some 'employees for life' and high hour FO's might even be more accepting of the pay offered with the upgrade if they were to be definitely based near their family home. There is always going to be an issue getting people to go to far flung bases but perhaps a system where you might be 'seconded' there for a set period, even for as long as a year, surely would be better. At least once you've done your time there you know you'll definitely be coming home.
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but to have a cheap shot at a profession and the professionals within this profession...well the public are not stupid, far from it, and they will not fly with an airline where the CEO is coming up with this crap.
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I think that everyone is blowing this M.East recruitment out of proportion a bit. They are recruiting from global sources, not just the UK. When you take a few form the rest of Europe, Asia and the US, really the chances of a few hundred from this country making any major impact on the T’s & C’s, respect, salary, fixed base of choice and mass movement into better jobs really is a pipe dream.
God, if anyone wished for the contrary it is me, but it just won’t. This is going to be a long term game till the new aircraft are delivered (assuming that those aircraft are not just replacing old ones - not requiring crews) and new airlines spring up again to replace the many that have gone to the wall over the last few years - as long as they are not asking for wazzok PTF 'pilots'.
Put your efforts into stopping the Estate Agents putting up the price of houses – SCUM!!!
God, if anyone wished for the contrary it is me, but it just won’t. This is going to be a long term game till the new aircraft are delivered (assuming that those aircraft are not just replacing old ones - not requiring crews) and new airlines spring up again to replace the many that have gone to the wall over the last few years - as long as they are not asking for wazzok PTF 'pilots'.
Put your efforts into stopping the Estate Agents putting up the price of houses – SCUM!!!
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Your moron CEO's been making headlines in the Aussie forum with his remarks about getting rid of effos.
Can't see why you'd work in a company that has a CEO with that kind of belligerent attitude.
Can't see why you'd work in a company that has a CEO with that kind of belligerent attitude.
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It doesn't matter what MOL says....get it! He could say that people who choose to fly on his airline are poor trash and they would still fly RYR. The public also doesn't care about the plight of RYR employees. They care about getting that cheap ticket. End of story. Sure they will moan and complain about the added charges, lack of a customer service phone number, etc., etc. , but they will still fly because the ticket is cheaper. Pilots will complain about RYR....yadda, yadda, yadda...but if they are so concerned about having a base 400 km from where they currently are located, do you think that they will be so happy to go work for some outfit in the desert? Yes...Emirates is a outfit. Until RYR crew collectively show just a little backbone, will the beatings cease.
outfit in the desert? Yes...Emirates is a outfit. Until RYR crew collectively show just a little backbone, will the beatings cease.
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Mainwaring: Rubbish, the line training is relatively well paid and the months after even more so, please don't comment on something you obviously have little idea about.
Ryanair's BRK rates are well published and aside from the first week (until safety pilot release) cadets can expect to be properly paid. For a first job in the industry you can't beat it.
Ryanair's BRK rates are well published and aside from the first week (until safety pilot release) cadets can expect to be properly paid. For a first job in the industry you can't beat it.