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Hi all, Anyone willing to share their views on the growing IPA support in bmibaby and the challenge to BALPA that will likely follow ? If there are indeed deals being done without consultation at the moment then perhaps it is indeed time for a change ?
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Whilst I can understand your viewpoint about divided union representation I don't think that is likely at Baby now.
BALPA membership has plummeted in recent months/weeks due to the inept performance of the CC and PN. The members have been kept in the dark as to what is going on, not been consulted on major issues and there has been no link between the other BALPA CCs at Mainline or Regional.
To put some perspective on this - no consultation with the members before signing an agreement to defer for 2 years the 3rd year pay rise from a 3year pay deal. This deferral was signed back in 2009 and people are now just finding out about it now.
The PN has been evasive and disingenuous. Big BALPA simply refused to back members who had their contract of employment breached. Pilots had to resort to paying for a solicitor themselves to protect their rights of employment.
So the chance of having a 50 - 50 split with BALPA is not very likely.
Whilst the IPA may not be as well resourced as BALPA it doesn't have the hand cuffs that Big BALPA brings. I would wager its entertainment budget is significantly less as well!
And the troops are voting with their feet. Resignations a plenty from BALPA whilst IPA membership in Baby has rocketed - just shy of 50% in a matter of 2 weeks.
What the members want is a Union that is prepared to communicate, listen to the views of the people it represents and then negotiate with management using the mandate given to them. Its not rocket science but BALPA have failed to grasp this principle in Baby.
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BALPA membership has plummeted in recent months/weeks due to the inept performance of the CC and PN. The members have been kept in the dark as to what is going on, not been consulted on major issues and there has been no link between the other BALPA CCs at Mainline or Regional.
To put some perspective on this - no consultation with the members before signing an agreement to defer for 2 years the 3rd year pay rise from a 3year pay deal. This deferral was signed back in 2009 and people are now just finding out about it now.
The PN has been evasive and disingenuous. Big BALPA simply refused to back members who had their contract of employment breached. Pilots had to resort to paying for a solicitor themselves to protect their rights of employment.
So the chance of having a 50 - 50 split with BALPA is not very likely.
Whilst the IPA may not be as well resourced as BALPA it doesn't have the hand cuffs that Big BALPA brings. I would wager its entertainment budget is significantly less as well!
And the troops are voting with their feet. Resignations a plenty from BALPA whilst IPA membership in Baby has rocketed - just shy of 50% in a matter of 2 weeks.
What the members want is a Union that is prepared to communicate, listen to the views of the people it represents and then negotiate with management using the mandate given to them. Its not rocket science but BALPA have failed to grasp this principle in Baby.
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Pay Deferral
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While I agree with some of what you say about BALPA, I cannot agree with it all. As far as I remember the company unilaterally deferred the pay rise in Apr 09. Is that correct or is my recollection amiss? Also there were some BALPA Base meetings late last year at which the reason for the 2 year deferral was quite openly explained. As I understood it the agreement which BALPA signed, after the announcement of redundancies, led to a much improved package for compulsory redundancy and was also intended to support the extra aircraft. Not using LIFO hurt a lot of people though in the end as far as I know there were no compulsory redundancies.
I have certainly suffered a detriment to my Ts and Cs but I would blame the management more than BALPA. Management have the authority and responsibility and they have not acted in a way I find desirable.
While I agree with some of what you say about BALPA, I cannot agree with it all. As far as I remember the company unilaterally deferred the pay rise in Apr 09. Is that correct or is my recollection amiss? Also there were some BALPA Base meetings late last year at which the reason for the 2 year deferral was quite openly explained. As I understood it the agreement which BALPA signed, after the announcement of redundancies, led to a much improved package for compulsory redundancy and was also intended to support the extra aircraft. Not using LIFO hurt a lot of people though in the end as far as I know there were no compulsory redundancies.
I have certainly suffered a detriment to my Ts and Cs but I would blame the management more than BALPA. Management have the authority and responsibility and they have not acted in a way I find desirable.
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A change can only be a good thing. BALPA hasn't worked at BMI Baby as demonstrated by the redundancies of last year. Allied to that there needs to be a change of management. The Flight Operations Director seems to be a parody of New Labour with some neo Marxist agenda of equality, and redistribution of wealth. He takes little notice of other people's views, but applies his decisions unilaterally. The General Manager is spineless and clueless. The current situation isn't working so time to try something new.
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I'm always sceptical of people posting with little or no history on here however exhibiting more than basic knowledge of this industry.
However on the points raised, a current BMIbaby pilot posted giving his/her direct experiences and thoughts of their peers. It is felt that one union hasn't been effective so has switched his support behind another to see if they can do more. They have shown they do believe in collective bargaining to achieve a common goal and are quite entitled to switch their support (we do live in a capitalist democracy after all).
I'm sure the IPA will throw everything at this because the outcome may raise their stock price and kudos among the pilot fraternity.
If nothing else it may make BALPA sit up, realise the perception of its effectiveness is being questioned regularly and change its approach which will ultimately benefit the whole pilot community in the UK.
However on the points raised, a current BMIbaby pilot posted giving his/her direct experiences and thoughts of their peers. It is felt that one union hasn't been effective so has switched his support behind another to see if they can do more. They have shown they do believe in collective bargaining to achieve a common goal and are quite entitled to switch their support (we do live in a capitalist democracy after all).
I'm sure the IPA will throw everything at this because the outcome may raise their stock price and kudos among the pilot fraternity.
If nothing else it may make BALPA sit up, realise the perception of its effectiveness is being questioned regularly and change its approach which will ultimately benefit the whole pilot community in the UK.
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Free Collective Bargaining
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I assume when you say are sceptical due to a lack of history then you mean me. However, a lack of Pprune history does not necessarily mean a lack of history in the industry. I fully agree that everyone should be free to choose the union and representation that they wish, as you say a capitalist democracy.
We should though do that on the basis of the facts and that is what I endeavoured to discuss re Lookers post. There was much discussion of the rationale behind the pay deferral prior to Christmas, it certainly has not just seeped out and a pay deferral was imposed across the pilot workforce last April.
I would love to see the payrise reinstated but how would the IPA change the company's position. The BMI Group is not the only airline with pay issues. Are peple suggesting a strike would be the way forward here?
I assume when you say are sceptical due to a lack of history then you mean me. However, a lack of Pprune history does not necessarily mean a lack of history in the industry. I fully agree that everyone should be free to choose the union and representation that they wish, as you say a capitalist democracy.
We should though do that on the basis of the facts and that is what I endeavoured to discuss re Lookers post. There was much discussion of the rationale behind the pay deferral prior to Christmas, it certainly has not just seeped out and a pay deferral was imposed across the pilot workforce last April.
I would love to see the payrise reinstated but how would the IPA change the company's position. The BMI Group is not the only airline with pay issues. Are peple suggesting a strike would be the way forward here?
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Yet again why let the truth get in the way of a good story!!!!. From Friday onwards a letter from the CC will be with every bmibaby pilot. Can I suggest you wait, read said letter and then if necessary make contact to clarify anything you do not understand.
Glibbly spouting stuff such as we have had redundancies therefore BALPA does not work is unfortunately the sort of drivel everyone at all levels of BALPA is having to combat.
The airline industry is in meltdown at the moment and some tough choices/decesions are having to be made. BALPA will always endeavour to put job retention first, but they do not have a magic wand and if the departing boss has chosen to take many millions out of the business along with bookings having fallen off a cliff then unfortunately there will be some pain along the way. If this means a pay deferral that helps to save jobs, is that such a bad thing?
Glibbly spouting stuff such as we have had redundancies therefore BALPA does not work is unfortunately the sort of drivel everyone at all levels of BALPA is having to combat.
The airline industry is in meltdown at the moment and some tough choices/decesions are having to be made. BALPA will always endeavour to put job retention first, but they do not have a magic wand and if the departing boss has chosen to take many millions out of the business along with bookings having fallen off a cliff then unfortunately there will be some pain along the way. If this means a pay deferral that helps to save jobs, is that such a bad thing?
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As a former Balpa member at baby the main issue here is the way in which no one has been consulted on any issues since 2006(strike ballot) with the exception of wether to add our names to legal action against the company for holiday pay or pay deferal.
When they need the workforce to stick their necks on the line they communicate with us the rest of the time they just sign the deal and give us the news.
Maybe the IPA will or wont do any better but if they achieve nothing more than to just keep the members informed and listen to our views, its a giant step in the right direction.
You have to ask why the ops director is so desperate to keep Balpa as the union, is it because they are a pushover?
When they need the workforce to stick their necks on the line they communicate with us the rest of the time they just sign the deal and give us the news.
Maybe the IPA will or wont do any better but if they achieve nothing more than to just keep the members informed and listen to our views, its a giant step in the right direction.
You have to ask why the ops director is so desperate to keep Balpa as the union, is it because they are a pushover?
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safety in numbers
For me it is not the name of the union but the strength of the membership that matters. For many reasons Balpa was never going to gain sufficient strength of numbers in Baby so a move to another union is a positive step forwards. I hope that the renewed interest in protecting our T's & C's continues and that as many people as possible do continue to get involved and remain involved.
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I do not fly for BMI Baby and wish the pilots there nothing but well. Well-meaning but utterly misled individuals like Dreamshiner have decided to give their energies in unemployment to discrediting BALPA. They are, of course, entitled to do that. Nonetheless, they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the realities of our world and a totally false hope in the capabilities of the IPA. The IPA have never fought, let alone won, a single battle of note in the airline industry. Many of my friends and colleagues are IPA members, and I have no problem with that. Nonetheless, it would be a grave error of judgement to think that they will do anything for you in a corporate sense. The only game in town is BALPA - warts and all.
There is, nonetheless, an incorrect perception among pilots there and elsewhere about what BALPA can and cannot do for you. If your company is unprofitable, there is an enormous limitation on what BALPA can do to improve your terms and conditions, and that is not BALPA's fault. It is vital for any pilot to grasp that fact rather than adopt a welfare state mentality that says, 'Because I pay my subs my job should be secure. If your company is not making money your job is not secure - it is that stark and you should not be deceived otherwise. There is no union in the world can change that. Management and investors have to produce a stable company and the pilots can then do their bit to make it run correctly. The best that BALPA can do with a loss-making company is ensure that redundancy deals are fair and reasonable. Let me say it again, BALPA cannot make an unprofitable company profitable. Sorry folks, but do not blame the messenger. Therefore, ask not what BALPA can do for you - ask what you can do for BALPA!
There is, nonetheless, an incorrect perception among pilots there and elsewhere about what BALPA can and cannot do for you. If your company is unprofitable, there is an enormous limitation on what BALPA can do to improve your terms and conditions, and that is not BALPA's fault. It is vital for any pilot to grasp that fact rather than adopt a welfare state mentality that says, 'Because I pay my subs my job should be secure. If your company is not making money your job is not secure - it is that stark and you should not be deceived otherwise. There is no union in the world can change that. Management and investors have to produce a stable company and the pilots can then do their bit to make it run correctly. The best that BALPA can do with a loss-making company is ensure that redundancy deals are fair and reasonable. Let me say it again, BALPA cannot make an unprofitable company profitable. Sorry folks, but do not blame the messenger. Therefore, ask not what BALPA can do for you - ask what you can do for BALPA!
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A few facts about Balpa's recent responses/actions etc..
One of the crew council members who left the company recently after the last round of redundancies, warned a few individuals against what the FORMER chairman was asking them to support, stating it was all to support his own cause.
Former Chairman has always wanted a Baby only seniority list as it moves himself and the current Chairman way up the list.
Current chairman when asked by a SFO about potentially having to take a pay cut for a seasonal command "Maybe you will have to take some pain for the promotion" was the reply.
Former Chairman has several times put the suggestion that capts seniority be based on date of command and not joining, again all helps his position on the seniority list.
Current Vice-chairman was against the secondment of SFOs to Left seat for the summer based on the fact that he and other Capts being forced onto seasonal contracts as a result of redundacies and would be earning less than said SFOs, however as soon as the situation changed for him personally( kept job full-time due VRs) he backed down screwing over his fellow Capts not so fortunate in the process.
So I ask you, is anyone really surprised that the troops are P
d off and begining to revolt
Now to be fair they have done an enormous amount at Baby, but, it is their mandate to do so and does not allow them based on history to screw us from now on.
In my opinion the IPA group were too quick, before checking the facts clearly, in releasing their latest memo and need to play a smarter, slower game in order to not dis-credit themselves before they start.
One of the crew council members who left the company recently after the last round of redundancies, warned a few individuals against what the FORMER chairman was asking them to support, stating it was all to support his own cause.
Former Chairman has always wanted a Baby only seniority list as it moves himself and the current Chairman way up the list.
Current chairman when asked by a SFO about potentially having to take a pay cut for a seasonal command "Maybe you will have to take some pain for the promotion" was the reply.
Former Chairman has several times put the suggestion that capts seniority be based on date of command and not joining, again all helps his position on the seniority list.
Current Vice-chairman was against the secondment of SFOs to Left seat for the summer based on the fact that he and other Capts being forced onto seasonal contracts as a result of redundacies and would be earning less than said SFOs, however as soon as the situation changed for him personally( kept job full-time due VRs) he backed down screwing over his fellow Capts not so fortunate in the process.
So I ask you, is anyone really surprised that the troops are P
d off and begining to revoltNow to be fair they have done an enormous amount at Baby, but, it is their mandate to do so and does not allow them based on history to screw us from now on.
In my opinion the IPA group were too quick, before checking the facts clearly, in releasing their latest memo and need to play a smarter, slower game in order to not dis-credit themselves before they start.
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NSF- To be fair I think the backlash at BALPA within bmibaby is not because we think 'we pay our dues therefore our jobs should be secure' it is more because of the stance of the chairman and former chairman of the cc with regard to the selection of pilots for redundancy which if done in a similar process to the last 'matrix' ( against our contracts!) looks after themselves as far as any future redundandancies are concerned at the expense of pilots who had transfered from other parts of the bmi group, in many cases the transferees were actively encouraged by the chief pilot! (which I may add was when bmibaby had a huge need for experienced pilots to expand!)
Also though no less important the lack of input and feedback which the members of BALPA in bmibaby have had in the last couple of years!! I have now left BALPA after 12 years continuous membership and hope the IPA gains more members, I think a change can't do any worse and it may wake BALPA up a little at a national level although I doubt it!!!!
Also though no less important the lack of input and feedback which the members of BALPA in bmibaby have had in the last couple of years!! I have now left BALPA after 12 years continuous membership and hope the IPA gains more members, I think a change can't do any worse and it may wake BALPA up a little at a national level although I doubt it!!!!
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As usual, good post NSF.
To me its a case of "throwing out the baby with the bathwater".
If the IPF could give a better service, it'd be the first time in the history of mankind that the rule "you get what you pay for" will have been violated.
Why not the detractors step up to the plate on a replacement or even a secondment basis to assist their fellow colleagues in a fight to maintain T&C's, disseminate information, mobilise troops...
All the time taking their extra days off, their additional leave, their additonal payments, forgetting about the jobs saved etc etc.
Would it be surprising to suggest that we all have vested interests one way or the other?
To me its a case of "throwing out the baby with the bathwater".
If the IPF could give a better service, it'd be the first time in the history of mankind that the rule "you get what you pay for" will have been violated.
Why not the detractors step up to the plate on a replacement or even a secondment basis to assist their fellow colleagues in a fight to maintain T&C's, disseminate information, mobilise troops...
All the time taking their extra days off, their additional leave, their additonal payments, forgetting about the jobs saved etc etc.
Would it be surprising to suggest that we all have vested interests one way or the other?
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If the IPA/IPF are so good why are they not already representing many other uk airlines? BALPA are not perfect and it may be that some on the council have their own hidden agenda. Do you think that the IPA will be any different? One of the main instigators IH has his own reasons for wanting the IPA in power. ie GDOJ over Baby seniority list. Do the people in the company not realise that if this remains the case it will only benefit a small number of people, ie the ex regional people (ie IH) and one ex bmi person who went back to bmi to see if the grass was greener and realised that it wasn't. People also have to realise that if mainline ever have more redundancies and baby are recruiting, baby have to offer the mainline pilots the job. This will hamper us all at baby especially many FOs as the people coming across from mainline will have a better GDOJ than many of us. Therefore if baby then has redundancies guess who keeps their jobs? It is also the case that if we move to mainline now we do not get to transfer our GDOJ. Not very fair at all. At the time when the regional friends of PD were employed by Baby they moved across with the impression that they would carry GDOJ. It is not exactly fair that this should be removed but there are also many other things that have been changed or removed (tea and coffee!!!) by the company. We have to protect ourselves for the future and think carefully whether the IPA really would be better?
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So you would compare tea and coffee on the same par as redundancies/breach of contract?
The simple solution to the whole sorry saga is to re-write the seniority list based on Gdoj up until this Point then do away with the right to keep Gdoj on transfering from regional or mainline for anything other than calculation of payment . Let those here already keep their Gdoj and then draw a line I. The sand.
But the CC won't do it because it weakens their position on the list.
I am not a particular fan of the individual you mention(IH) he and the other instigaters of the Ipa have a valid point, Our MOA has been walked all over and it has to stop, should have been stopped last year, the last thing we need on top of the company cherry picking what they want to abide by is the union doing the same.
The simple solution to the whole sorry saga is to re-write the seniority list based on Gdoj up until this Point then do away with the right to keep Gdoj on transfering from regional or mainline for anything other than calculation of payment . Let those here already keep their Gdoj and then draw a line I. The sand.
But the CC won't do it because it weakens their position on the list.
I am not a particular fan of the individual you mention(IH) he and the other instigaters of the Ipa have a valid point, Our MOA has been walked all over and it has to stop, should have been stopped last year, the last thing we need on top of the company cherry picking what they want to abide by is the union doing the same.
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Hey INKY,
The letter about the Pay Alleviation agreement was sent to BALPA members on 17/11/09. It isn't BALPA's fault the company didn't publicize the agreement although, in the circumstances, one wonders how a pilot could fail to understand what had happened especially bearing in mind the significance of that period.
The letter about the Pay Alleviation agreement was sent to BALPA members on 17/11/09. It isn't BALPA's fault the company didn't publicize the agreement although, in the circumstances, one wonders how a pilot could fail to understand what had happened especially bearing in mind the significance of that period.
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Stick together
I wish all bmi baby crews success in their endeavours. Having been a member of BALPA, Prospect and IPA/IPF in various piloting jobs I have to say only IPA/IPF gave a stuff about pay and conditions. The others bowed to management every time. Yes they are small and less famous/infamous than BALPA, but much more approachable and affordable.
Whatever you decide - stick together!
Whatever you decide - stick together!
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"Well-meaning but utterly misled individuals like Dreamshiner have decided to give their energies in unemployment to discrediting BALPA. They are, of course, entitled to do that. Nonetheless, they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the realities of our world and a totally false hope in the capabilities of the IPA"
"Well-meaning but utterly misled individuals like Dreamshiner have decided to give their energies in unemployment to discrediting BALPA. They are, of course, entitled to do that. Nonetheless, they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the realities of our world and a totally false hope in the capabilities of the IPA"
The poll you talk about is in response to a question posed by Piltdown Man on another thread. I was aware BALPA do get a lot of criticism sometimes justified and sometimes not. I decided to see if my experiences and views were mirrored in my peers or if I was out of kilter. The one thing I really want to see is a strong unified union representing me and my contemporaries robustly and fairly. I think it would be ideal if it was BALPA as they already have the largest base - yes, you read correctly, contrary to what you wrote, I hold no torch for the IPA, however did find them much more helpful than BALPA at 2 significant stages in my career. However I also feel BALPA needs shaken up from the grass roots and restructured, BA CC excluded, if anything they should be used as an example for others to emulate.
The general consensus is that some company councils punch above their weight resulting in a favourable view among their pilot group. The perceived inactivity of BALPA nationally also seems to be a view held almost universally from all sides of the spectrum even those very happy with their T&C's negotiated by their direct representatives.
I also have no interest in discrediting BALPA, I have an interest on accountability and won't sit idly by watching my profession go down the tubes with a blinkered 'don't rock the boat' attitude adopted. I know you feel debate and god forbid, criticism, should be taboo and curtailed. I would recommend you review a little book called 1984 next time you are in the prison library.
As for this thread, it would appear 4 posters, Looker, sjm, INKJET and Budar are or have at one point been BMi Baby employees. Universally they are unhappy with the behaviour of their elected reps and inactivity on a national level. I'll let what they've posted influence my view rather than the opinions of someone promoting BALPA come hell or high water when his own airline runs roughshod and takes the mick.
If this precedent continues it won't be polls or criticism levelled on PPRuNe that discredit BALPA nationally, I think you'll find they'll do it quite adequately themselves.
Pray tell guru of truth, bastion of worldly realities, what is it my little brain and limited intelligence has omitted to consider to align myself with your omnipotent theories?
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'The simple solution to the whole sorry saga is to re-write the seniority list based on Gdoj up until this Point then do away with the right to keep Gdoj on transfering from regional or mainline for anything other than calculation of payment . Let those here already keep their Gdoj and then draw a line In The sand.
But the CC won't do it because it weakens their position on the list.'
SJM couldn't agree more.
SR71 I was a BALPA member up until 3 weeks ago, at the end of Dec I had to call BALPA head office to get them to send me all the newsletters which had distributed because I had recieved sweet FA in the previous few months!! Apart from the log!!!! One meeting with some of the CC when redundancies were announced, next time I see my union reps was a few days before the end of the 90 day consultation period.( with the management present!!) Value for money I think not!!
The BmiBaby CC need to ask themselves why has there been such a backlash against them. Seeing posts whereby the chairman refers to pilots who don't agree with him as 'groupies' has helped me make my decision to leave BALPA. A decision which I might add was not taken lightly. The 10 page drivel sent by the company...... sorry the CC has only reinforced my view that it is time for a change.
But the CC won't do it because it weakens their position on the list.'
SJM couldn't agree more.
SR71 I was a BALPA member up until 3 weeks ago, at the end of Dec I had to call BALPA head office to get them to send me all the newsletters which had distributed because I had recieved sweet FA in the previous few months!! Apart from the log!!!! One meeting with some of the CC when redundancies were announced, next time I see my union reps was a few days before the end of the 90 day consultation period.( with the management present!!) Value for money I think not!!
The BmiBaby CC need to ask themselves why has there been such a backlash against them. Seeing posts whereby the chairman refers to pilots who don't agree with him as 'groupies' has helped me make my decision to leave BALPA. A decision which I might add was not taken lightly. The 10 page drivel sent by the company...... sorry the CC has only reinforced my view that it is time for a change.
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