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Self sponsoring is quite old, now. Most of the new generation pilots are self sponsored to a lesser or greater extent.
But flying in an airline as a FO withoug getting paid as any other copilot in the airline is unacceptable for the normal copilots who get paid. It is robbing someone else's money and turning it into training, which is in turn paid to the airline.
What wiil easyjet FOs say if they start having summer FOs working without being paid? Are they happy with that? With others doing their job for free?
If they are so crazy, which I don't believe...
Are they willing to pay their command course when they are "offered" to do it? (that is the natural next step in this spiral dive we are in)
Many of you, readers of this post (thanks for reading, btw) are captains who think these issues are battles in the lower layers of the pilot community, like the third class in the Titanic.
But what would you think if durring a given month you fly 50 hours less because there is a self sponsored training captain flying those hours?
What would you think if your airline goes bankrupt and you cannot find a job in any other airline because they prefer self sponsored first command captains instead of experienced captains?
Then many will think quite differently.
Many things in life are good, not so good, bad or very bad, depending on the degree. Self sponsoring is one.
Others are totally good or totally bad, no matter the degree. Doing someone else's job for free is one.
Whatever scheme EZY does, it should include a standard permanent contract at the end of the training (after the first flight without a training captain, at the latest).
But flying in an airline as a FO withoug getting paid as any other copilot in the airline is unacceptable for the normal copilots who get paid. It is robbing someone else's money and turning it into training, which is in turn paid to the airline.
What wiil easyjet FOs say if they start having summer FOs working without being paid? Are they happy with that? With others doing their job for free?
If they are so crazy, which I don't believe...
Are they willing to pay their command course when they are "offered" to do it? (that is the natural next step in this spiral dive we are in)
Many of you, readers of this post (thanks for reading, btw) are captains who think these issues are battles in the lower layers of the pilot community, like the third class in the Titanic.
But what would you think if durring a given month you fly 50 hours less because there is a self sponsored training captain flying those hours?
What would you think if your airline goes bankrupt and you cannot find a job in any other airline because they prefer self sponsored first command captains instead of experienced captains?
Then many will think quite differently.
Many things in life are good, not so good, bad or very bad, depending on the degree. Self sponsoring is one.
Others are totally good or totally bad, no matter the degree. Doing someone else's job for free is one.
Whatever scheme EZY does, it should include a standard permanent contract at the end of the training (after the first flight without a training captain, at the latest).
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Beak,
You sound remarkably like a guy a friend of mine went on one date with in Dec.
He was 'waiting to join BA in Jan' (we all know that must be a total lie!). But was parachute dropping at the moment...Had a glass appartment in London, DB9 and was working at a friends hedge fund every now and again....The DB9 had been 'smashed up' (or sold to fund training..)
Apparently, kept sounding off about just this subject to her..
I don't know, you sound remarkably similar.
You sound remarkably like a guy a friend of mine went on one date with in Dec.
He was 'waiting to join BA in Jan' (we all know that must be a total lie!). But was parachute dropping at the moment...Had a glass appartment in London, DB9 and was working at a friends hedge fund every now and again....The DB9 had been 'smashed up' (or sold to fund training..)
Apparently, kept sounding off about just this subject to her..
I don't know, you sound remarkably similar.
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Getting back to the topic a little.
What is the selection pass rates nowdays for OAA and CTC. I remember years ago the selection at CTC was only about 1%. Nowdays it seems like the only question in selection is "how are you going to pay".
What is the selection pass rates nowdays for OAA and CTC. I remember years ago the selection at CTC was only about 1%. Nowdays it seems like the only question in selection is "how are you going to pay".
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Originally Posted by TheBeak
This is what I hate about these threads - they easily come off topic and get personal - though not necessarily in a particularly nasty way in this instance
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I do mean absolute, catastrophic, thick and very deluded berk
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dreadfully, ignorantly thick
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young, dumb and full of cum
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underselected, thick, useless, cretinous, pointless
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Oxford numptys ... pathetic
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the morons
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worthless and utterly otiose dullards
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parasitic, mummy and daddies boy or girl that still hasn't discovered the ability to wipe their own ar5e
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biggest 
s in aviation.
s in aviation.
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snot nosed, useless narcissits willing to sh1t on everyone else
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berkshire hunts
Despite your claims of being a professional pilot, having seen the content of your posts I would argue that you are a far more dangerous person to have on a flight deck than any Oxford or CTC cadet.
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And the sum total of what you have offered is diddly sqwat. You are OAA management. Your chosing of a name containing the word evil is not by chance given the person you are copying is called Evel. Go away and bore someone else.
Oh and look 'evil' you are the subject of my post number 666! How apt.
Oh and look 'evil' you are the subject of my post number 666! How apt.
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In post 362 above, Beaker retires fully from EZ jet threads, but as we see, all it takes is someone quoting his own vitriolic hatred towards others to bring on more of it.
Oh no. I've gone and fed the troll again and now I must prepare for incoming flames, venom and toys flying out of the pram/bird cage.
Getting ever so slightly back on topic, don't Ryanair charge for command courses? When will EasyJet start this, when they fill those Training Manager vacancies?
OOPS! Off topic again.
Those OAA and CTC numpties are as and narcissistic little tws who are wrecking the world. The poor economy and imbalanced supply and demand market forces that brokers play on every day as they trade stocks have nothing to do with erosion of airline T&Cs, it's just these deluded berks doing it. There now, back on topic. Think I'll go have a lie down.
Oh no. I've gone and fed the troll again and now I must prepare for incoming flames, venom and toys flying out of the pram/bird cage.
Getting ever so slightly back on topic, don't Ryanair charge for command courses? When will EasyJet start this, when they fill those Training Manager vacancies?
OOPS! Off topic again.
Those OAA and CTC numpties are a
s and narcissistic little tws who are wrecking the world. The poor economy and imbalanced supply and demand market forces that brokers play on every day as they trade stocks have nothing to do with erosion of airline T&Cs, it's just these deluded berks doing it. There now, back on topic. Think I'll go have a lie down.
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I may be mistaken, but I don't think Air Micko charges for the course, but you do have to find somewhere to sleep at your own expense, & ,if you live in the YOOKAY ,you have to find your own way to EMA (or should it be NEMA?) bit naff, I agree, and will no doubt become a revenue source in due course.
The Beak ? well, a bit like the Black Knight or whatever he was called in Monty Python, even if all the limbs are cut off he can't help rolling the torso back in the stadium for another go. He said he was gone
but well, he knows how much we miss him 
Wasting his time, prefers personal attack to adressing the problem, refuses to see what is the real problem, best ignored really, unlikely to contribute a viable solution as it is indeed much easier to blame those (who are not so far removed from his own situation) in preference to thinking how to change things.
Full of vitriol , but no realistic solutions.
The Beak ? well, a bit like the Black Knight or whatever he was called in Monty Python, even if all the limbs are cut off he can't help rolling the torso back in the stadium for another go. He said he was gone
but well, he knows how much we miss him Wasting his time, prefers personal attack to adressing the problem, refuses to see what is the real problem, best ignored really, unlikely to contribute a viable solution as it is indeed much easier to blame those (who are not so far removed from his own situation) in preference to thinking how to change things.
Full of vitriol , but no realistic solutions.
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EZY Do in a way charge for command, 90% Capt. salary for the first 6 month to cover 'training costs'.. Amounts to around 4k..
Most people either took 10% more fuel. Or worked 90%....
Most people either took 10% more fuel. Or worked 90%....
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I don't know TheBeak, I've not lived in the UK for almost a decade, and I don't always agree with his/her language, however I think the general gist of his arguments are in essence what we all feel - more and more company specific training costs are being transferred to the pilot and the selection criteria is increasingly becoming a solely a financial criterion. Whilst we bicker and squabble amongst ourselves, we're ineffective at improving our collective lot - regardless of your opinion on culpability.
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another 10 guys who will be replaced...
slavery is back and running.
spiting at face of people is considered smart these days.
spit to the face of your employer, of your politician, and your bank...
they spit to your face, so do the same!
I spat to the face of Balpa, I retrieved my membership years ago and I invite you to do the same.
Balpa, CAA, EASA, all a bunch of crooks! they look at pilots fighting like dogs, and they all laugh from their nice and comfy offices.
slavery is back and running.
spiting at face of people is considered smart these days.
spit to the face of your employer, of your politician, and your bank...
they spit to your face, so do the same!
I spat to the face of Balpa, I retrieved my membership years ago and I invite you to do the same.
Balpa, CAA, EASA, all a bunch of crooks! they look at pilots fighting like dogs, and they all laugh from their nice and comfy offices.
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This whole affair pretty much proves that BALPA are useless considering this is quite a large degradation of T+C's from the current and future FO base within EZY, the very people they represent. No wonder they were made a fool of by RYR, as much as I would've liked to have seen a layer of protection introduced between employee/employer.
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another 10 guys who will be replaced...
In the past, if any lay-offs have been made, those to be laid off were the first back.
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those to be laid off were the first back
I know a few guys who expect to fly during summer for easyjet, they may fly 500-800h within 2 years, but after 1000hours, I think they are not called anymore and they are probably looking for a job somewhere else, they will have to compete with guys who have thousand hours as well.It's going to be tough for them to find a new job.
in the opposite direction, you ave fresh Oxford pilots with 30'000 euro or more and higly desperate , ready to kill grandmom to buy a rating on the 320 which is certainly 50% more expensive than waht it would cost to easyjet.
After a nice tour of carousel , they are out ,with no money, and a little hope to get a job at Mac Donald to pay their 150'000 euro debts!
These airlines have turn their operation as a flight school which is not authorized by their certificate of operation.
Airlines are (by law) not here to train pilots, then kick them out( they can train pilot for 100h line training and should keep them, that's the goal of the line training).This is why I strongly believe some people at the CAA get some "commissions" (under table)so airlines and flight schools can continue to do their dirty business.
as long as these practices exist,unemployment will stay high and we risk now a double recession that our politician could avoid, but easy money and corruption are sadly the winners in this nasty game when recession hits.