easyJet/CTC Cadet Pilot Slavery Contract
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Bigbad, I wasn't having a go. It was more of a rhetorical question. Of course you don't want to take a contract deal with T&C's like the ones offered but you have little choice apart from to bend over and take it!!
Unless BALPA sort this out!
Unless BALPA sort this out!
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Balpa Balpa Balpa... it is us the pilots, who let this happen. As soon as everybody is looking for himself and has no self esteem the situation will not change. It will not improve by itself, even every year it becomes worse. Just look at the Roland Berger Report of eJ and have a look what kind of bright future the managers have for us. But we let it happen Because most of us are selffish and not real pilots anymore. I am ashamed of our profession! 
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Get on to BALPA and tell them what you want them to do. You pay the fee, so you call the shots. If they don't represent your views, and your ambitions as pilots tell them that you will resign from them, and do it. Then go and join an organisation that gives a shiit what you think. Do it individually, block the e-mail server, and the telephone switchboards, and stop feeling sorry for yourselves.
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Bigbad,
I'm also a soon to be made redundant bmi pilot and am really trying to avoid going abroad as my home and my life is here. I was really excited when I found out about a possible contract with Easy - and then I read the FAQ sent to me by CTC. As hard as things are at the moment, I can't bring myself to work under such conditions. It isn't a contract I would have been happy with as a cadet, let alone now I have more experience.
Good luck to everyone that is refusing this contract and feel good that you have made a stand.
I'm also a soon to be made redundant bmi pilot and am really trying to avoid going abroad as my home and my life is here. I was really excited when I found out about a possible contract with Easy - and then I read the FAQ sent to me by CTC. As hard as things are at the moment, I can't bring myself to work under such conditions. It isn't a contract I would have been happy with as a cadet, let alone now I have more experience.
Good luck to everyone that is refusing this contract and feel good that you have made a stand.
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In reply to Firestorm
Get on to BALPA and tell them what you want them to do. You pay the fee, so you call the shots. If they don't represent your views, and your ambitions as pilots tell them that you will resign from them, and do it. Then go and join an organisation that gives a shiit what you think. Do it individually, block the e-mail server, and the telephone switchboards, and stop feeling sorry for yourselves.
- If one shouts and screams at BALPA, threatens to leave and then does, exactly who else do you think is out there that CAN and WILL give a **** as you say? There's not exactly an abundance of reputable, large union-type organisations we can turn to and/or play off one another...
- As for engaging in criminal activity such as blocking email servers and telephone switchboards, how exactly does that help? Is it worth pissing a company and/or the police off when a clean slate is absolutely essential?!
The only viable proposition (and one which I read elsewhere not so long ago) is to take this matter to your local councillor and make enough of an issue out of it. Get them onboard such that it's raised by MP's which, ultimately, forces governments to step in and stop these dangerous trends. Believe it or not, it's not that difficult, all we have to do is highlight the safety issue - not for us, but for passengers. Of course it benefits us too, but it may just be the spin that's needed to start the ball rolling.
Aviation represents a major part of the UK (and other countries) economies. Here's an illustration:
http://www.oef.com/Free/pdfs/Aviation2006Final.pdf
Dreams of training companies reversing to old ways and unions forcing sweeping changes will simply not come about. They are understandably saying they are simply driven by airline employers. They have to work with them, not against. Only governments have the right and power to shout the odds.
Why else do you think Ryanair pulled out of more Boeing orders not so long ago? Only because they couldn't get the ridiculous leasing rates they did after Sept 11, 2001. Boeing and the industry in general were desperate for sales then - MOL hammered home a 10 year deal which secured them enormous profit margins as a result. What did he do recently when they said no to silly requests? Walked off sprouting rhetoric, claiming he's happy to perhaps re-engage them in the future but only on his T&C's. In the meantime, he'll bolster shareholders confidence in his airline by delivering large, short term bonuses whilst he doesn't continue to place orders for more aircraft. He's not a genuis as some people claim, he's just savvy. He's a greedy, little man who looks at trends and makes the most of them.
I'm afraid, we're in an, arguably, even worse position after the recent global financial crisis... and who do you think will seek to exploit that?
As for engaging in criminal activity such as blocking email servers and telephone switchboards
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You're right Zippy, I could be taking his comment far too literally... but even if what you're saying is the case, it's hardly going to amount to much unless one's "legal" efforts are of gigantic proportions.
God knows how many CV's get discarded by airline companies on a daily basis - I reckon a pre-requisite for any HR representative of theirs has to be skin thicker than a rhino!
God knows how many CV's get discarded by airline companies on a daily basis - I reckon a pre-requisite for any HR representative of theirs has to be skin thicker than a rhino!
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That's s**t guys, you are loosing jobs at bmi to make space for ptf cadets from J.Curd scheme! The latest news is, that after completing their 150hrs in RHS they get a chop from bmi and are moved to ezy at gatwick on fexicrew?! I thoguht ezy wouldn't do busines with mr Curd again.
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Not ATP anymore...now it's A320 Type rating..Cringeworthy website..
A320 Type Rating - A320 Type Rating Training - How To Fly An Airbus
Watch the video..
'..This is Antonio....he's doing very well... (at paying for my new R8 and shafting the industry)...this is only his fourth payment ahem session...'
A320 Type Rating - A320 Type Rating Training - How To Fly An Airbus
Watch the video..
'..This is Antonio....he's doing very well... (at paying for my new R8 and shafting the industry)...this is only his fourth payment ahem session...'
It still is ATP as well, apparently - the old website is still up. I'm not going to give them the publicity by providing a link though.
That video made me want to throw up.
That video made me want to throw up.
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Christ....they even have a page on "how to fly an airbus" !!! I imagine that is the part designed to whet the appetites of Mum and Dad or the desperate person in question before they cough up 30K.
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And they pay how much to train with these monkeys? This kind of trite misinformation is straight out of a Beano comic, and the rest of the website's not much better. Awesome
Here's a selection of essential technical terms and their "definitions". Odd that there is soo much attention paid to fear of flying, and so little to any form of accuracy. I just love the "squashed" air in the compressor. Ga-Ga-Ooh!
Facts About Flying
Online Glossary of Aeronautical Terminology
A
Aerophobia
A fear of flying.
Agoraphobia
Agoraphobia is a condition, which develops when a person begins to avoid spaces or situations associated with anxiety. Typical "phobic situations" might include driving, shopping, flying, crowded places, traveling, standing in line, being alone, meetings and social gatherings.
Ailerons
They are hinged on the wings and move downward to push the air down and make the wing tilt up.
Aviophobia
A fear of flying.
C
Compressor
The compressor is the first component in the engine core. It is made up of fans with many blades and it is attached to the shaft. The compressor squeezes the air and creates an increase in the air pressure. The squashed air is forced into the combustion chamber.
D
Drag
Resistance that slows an object down in the air. Items that are streamlined have less drag in air.
E
Elevators
Found at the rear of the plane. They can be raised or lowered to change the direction of the plane's nose. The plane will go up or down depending on the direction of that the elevators are moved.
F
Fan
The fan is the first component of the turbofan engine. The large spinning fan sucks in large quantities of air. The blades of the fan pull the air into the engine.
Flying Phobia
A fear of flying
G
Gas Turbine
Another term for engine
Gravity
A force that pushes objects down to the earth
H
Hypersonic
This is the speed of flight that is used by rockets in outer space. Rockets can travel 5 to 10 times faster than the speed of sound, corresponding to about 3500 - 7500 MPH. An example of a vehicle that moves at this speed is the Space Shuttle.
L
Landing Gear
The wheels of a plane
Lift
A force that pushes objects upward
M
Mach 1
760 MPH. When a plane travels faster than this speed, it is breaking the sound barrier.
(edited to realign the force of gravity...)
Here's a selection of essential technical terms and their "definitions". Odd that there is soo much attention paid to fear of flying, and so little to any form of accuracy. I just love the "squashed" air in the compressor. Ga-Ga-Ooh!
Facts About Flying
Online Glossary of Aeronautical Terminology
A
Aerophobia
A fear of flying.
Agoraphobia
Agoraphobia is a condition, which develops when a person begins to avoid spaces or situations associated with anxiety. Typical "phobic situations" might include driving, shopping, flying, crowded places, traveling, standing in line, being alone, meetings and social gatherings.
Ailerons
They are hinged on the wings and move downward to push the air down and make the wing tilt up.
Aviophobia
A fear of flying.
C
Compressor
The compressor is the first component in the engine core. It is made up of fans with many blades and it is attached to the shaft. The compressor squeezes the air and creates an increase in the air pressure. The squashed air is forced into the combustion chamber.
D
Drag
Resistance that slows an object down in the air. Items that are streamlined have less drag in air.
E
Elevators
Found at the rear of the plane. They can be raised or lowered to change the direction of the plane's nose. The plane will go up or down depending on the direction of that the elevators are moved.
F
Fan
The fan is the first component of the turbofan engine. The large spinning fan sucks in large quantities of air. The blades of the fan pull the air into the engine.
Flying Phobia
A fear of flying
G
Gas Turbine
Another term for engine
Gravity
A force that pushes objects down to the earth
H
Hypersonic
This is the speed of flight that is used by rockets in outer space. Rockets can travel 5 to 10 times faster than the speed of sound, corresponding to about 3500 - 7500 MPH. An example of a vehicle that moves at this speed is the Space Shuttle.
L
Landing Gear
The wheels of a plane
Lift
A force that pushes objects upward
M
Mach 1
760 MPH. When a plane travels faster than this speed, it is breaking the sound barrier.
(edited to realign the force of gravity...)
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This scheme was a hot topic about two years ago on the easyJet BALPA forum. It was happening at about the same time as the first CTC cadets were not kept on after the initial 6 months. This scheme was, in my opinion, the eye opener for management to the fact that there were so many mugs with money for an airbus typerating. Why should they pay CTC for a cadet when there are so many willing to hand over vast sums of cash? Less able than CTC cadets (I was unfortunate enough to be safety pilot a couple of times) but does it really matter? Airbusses fly themselves don't they? Maybe we could uprank the cabin crew to FO for the summer? No, scrap that idea...they earn more than a new FO!
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Gyni:
I was offered summer contract as CC with EZY but when I saw the contract it was a joke. Pay for own uniform (which you must give them back when you leave), pass/ID, etc in exchange for poor pay and being allocated 7 days holiday in 9 months!!
I know I'm not alone in declining the offer, but sadly I suspect others will accepts those terms. And guess what will happen to CC T&Cs next time..... Unless people stick to their guns of course.
I was offered summer contract as CC with EZY but when I saw the contract it was a joke. Pay for own uniform (which you must give them back when you leave), pass/ID, etc in exchange for poor pay and being allocated 7 days holiday in 9 months!!
I know I'm not alone in declining the offer, but sadly I suspect others will accepts those terms. And guess what will happen to CC T&Cs next time..... Unless people stick to their guns of course.
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a320typerating
"Dear Mark the aviation industry is in turmoil at the moment but don't worry there are opportunities out there if you know where to look.
Its not ideal I know...who actually wants to pay to fly. Unfortunately this is the reality we have to deal with.
Therefore what you need to decide is, do I do a type rating at the lowest price... You can get some very cheap deals if you look, but they will not open the doors we can.
Mark we cannot promise the world but we can offer you now a proven route. We have just secured interviews and assessments to the best performers from the bmi scheme.
In fact this year 11 pilots out of 15 have secured the opportunity of flying the A320 after training.
2 pilots joined Tiger in Singapore - 1 pilot joined Wizz
In these difficult times we believe this is exceptional.
Mark check out our assessment page and book your place as soon as possible as places are limited. One of the team will contact you once payment has been made to confirm a date at our Gatwick office and simulator.
Click here: Assessment page
Mark you can also email a320typerating to start the ball rolling. One of the team will get back to you with more info and assessment date.
In the next message we will be offering you an opportunity to take part in the private a320 programme.
We have also placed pilots from this route too!
Until then Mark all the very best.
a320typerating team"
speechless
, i'm going to be sick now
Its not ideal I know...who actually wants to pay to fly. Unfortunately this is the reality we have to deal with.
Therefore what you need to decide is, do I do a type rating at the lowest price... You can get some very cheap deals if you look, but they will not open the doors we can.
Mark we cannot promise the world but we can offer you now a proven route. We have just secured interviews and assessments to the best performers from the bmi scheme.
In fact this year 11 pilots out of 15 have secured the opportunity of flying the A320 after training.
2 pilots joined Tiger in Singapore - 1 pilot joined Wizz
In these difficult times we believe this is exceptional.
Mark check out our assessment page and book your place as soon as possible as places are limited. One of the team will contact you once payment has been made to confirm a date at our Gatwick office and simulator.
Click here: Assessment page
Mark you can also email a320typerating to start the ball rolling. One of the team will get back to you with more info and assessment date.
In the next message we will be offering you an opportunity to take part in the private a320 programme.
We have also placed pilots from this route too!
Until then Mark all the very best.
a320typerating team"
speechless
, i'm going to be sick now
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Cabin crew, like piloting still has the pretence of an 'aspirational' career. While guys like yourself who obviously have a bit of life experience and an understanding of self worth will turn ridiculous offers down, the problem is that there are many who won't. Companies like mine will continue to prey on this regrettably.
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Still don't understand why the pilots at easy let this happen.. it's in their own hands.. they're the ones that can change it.
Because next step is short term contract captains and then your own jobs will be in danger.
Stop the complaining on ab-initio's and take action!
sjeesj
Because next step is short term contract captains and then your own jobs will be in danger.
Stop the complaining on ab-initio's and take action!
sjeesj