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Really bamboo
If you knew anything about how things work outside of Asia/Middle East you would know that there are no fully funded cadetships in the Western World.
They only exist in your part of the world because if the airline didn't pay for the training they wouldn't get any applicants cause no one can afford to pay for the CPL/IR on their own. Secondly, in alot parts of Asia and the ME piloting isn't seen as a high profile job. Most parents want their children to be doctors and Engineers. Good luck trying to find someone who's parents will pay for pilot training when they can get a degree in Medicine from India for the same price.
They only exist in your part of the world because if the airline didn't pay for the training they wouldn't get any applicants cause no one can afford to pay for the CPL/IR on their own. Secondly, in alot parts of Asia and the ME piloting isn't seen as a high profile job. Most parents want their children to be doctors and Engineers. Good luck trying to find someone who's parents will pay for pilot training when they can get a degree in Medicine from India for the same price.
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I want to work for emirates airlines as a sales person
Hello
is there anyone knows well about the company culture?
do they have flexibilitis? or strict about everything?
is there anyone knows well about the company culture?
do they have flexibilitis? or strict about everything?
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#82
doubleu-anker (post #82) sums it up pretty well.
Can't agree more.
I heard of P2F programs where you pay 36k € for 100hrs on A320 or 300hrs for 50k €. After that time the 'airline' might offer you a contract but only maybe...most likely depending on how far you managed to put your head into the CPs rear end.
One would expect a return of investment at one point - here you only get $ipped off.
Can't agree more.
I heard of P2F programs where you pay 36k € for 100hrs on A320 or 300hrs for 50k €. After that time the 'airline' might offer you a contract but only maybe...most likely depending on how far you managed to put your head into the CPs rear end.
One would expect a return of investment at one point - here you only get $ipped off.
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I'm sure pilots who truly earned their way int toe right seat would love to have a beer with you
you can compare how you toiled your way to the bank in all that city traffic to withdraw funds. You can brag to the world how your airline exploited you, not as a valued crewmember, but a required piece of equipment (under the MEL), while the airline made money from revenue paying passengers and you as for sitting in the right seat do a jet. Come to think HermannP, of it you too were a revenue paying passenger with a seat in the cockpit along for the ride.
Yeah, I'm sure pilots who flew night freight single pilot, instructed, flew missionary flights to build time are truly impressed with you and your joy.
Now when in a group of pilots talking about how they got their first jobs, I hope you are honest and tell them, you bribed, and bought your way into the right seat. See how fast the crowd migrates away from you.
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you can compare how you toiled your way to the bank in all that city traffic to withdraw funds. You can brag to the world how your airline exploited you, not as a valued crewmember, but a required piece of equipment (under the MEL), while the airline made money from revenue paying passengers and you as for sitting in the right seat do a jet. Come to think HermannP, of it you too were a revenue paying passenger with a seat in the cockpit along for the ride.Yeah, I'm sure pilots who flew night freight single pilot, instructed, flew missionary flights to build time are truly impressed with you and your joy.
Now when in a group of pilots talking about how they got their first jobs, I hope you are honest and tell them, you bribed, and bought your way into the right seat. See how fast the crowd migrates away from you.
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captj,
you, as well as other companies dont gave me a job, so dont complain.
It is an unfair game- yes, but i had the choice of loosing everything in a while or starting now...
I tried everything for a long time including the recurrencies on my expense.
I had to do something.
And it is very easy to pinpoint on others while sitting in the soft chair with a good job.
you, as well as other companies dont gave me a job, so dont complain.
It is an unfair game- yes, but i had the choice of loosing everything in a while or starting now...
I tried everything for a long time including the recurrencies on my expense.
I had to do something.
And it is very easy to pinpoint on others while sitting in the soft chair with a good job.
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HermannP, many like myself paid our dues by flight instructing, ferrying aircraft, single pilot self loading freight. But we didn't pay any dough to warm our bins in the right seat of a shiny jet.
You and others of your ilk don't deserve to be considered professionals as you did not achieve your position by honest means.
You and others of your ilk don't deserve to be considered professionals as you did not achieve your position by honest means.
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Without knowing any of the people posting here, all I can say is that as a SLF I would much rather be in an aircraft with Captjns as a pilot than with HermannP.
A pilot who has worked his way through on a large variety of flying skills will react faster and more instinctively than someone who has only ever known airline flying.
A pilot who has worked his way through on a large variety of flying skills will react faster and more instinctively than someone who has only ever known airline flying.
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Looks like HermannP bypassed writing English properly too by Paying in.
"Dont gave me a job" why not try there were no openings for me at the time.
Nobody owes you that job and remember a lot of scummies like Macdonalds are Luving it while you cough up to them to fly.
"Dont gave me a job" why not try there were no openings for me at the time.
Nobody owes you that job and remember a lot of scummies like Macdonalds are Luving it while you cough up to them to fly.
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Simple solution to stop this...
We Captains hold all the cards really.
REFUSE to fly with a paying passenger in the right seat and demand a replacement First Officer, one that IS employed by the company and recieves a salary.
If the airline refuses and threatens you, refuse to fly, go into the cabin. GET ON THE PA, and tell the situation to the passengers, stating that the Second in command will fly them their passengers to their holiday destination, and paying 50000 euro for the privelege. state that you can not morally, nor professionally support this,,and that due to this company procedure you have genuine safety concerns.
Get out.
Only a couple of times this must happen before the tabloids will be FULL of public outcries
Oh, yeah, you will probably have to find a new job, but if you fly for one of these slave companies that support PTF, you might be better of at home anyhow
At least you showed that you are worthy of your four stripes, have balls and take your responsibility towards our industry in general and your colegues Worldwide in particular.
We Captains hold all the cards really.
REFUSE to fly with a paying passenger in the right seat and demand a replacement First Officer, one that IS employed by the company and recieves a salary.
If the airline refuses and threatens you, refuse to fly, go into the cabin. GET ON THE PA, and tell the situation to the passengers, stating that the Second in command will fly them their passengers to their holiday destination, and paying 50000 euro for the privelege. state that you can not morally, nor professionally support this,,and that due to this company procedure you have genuine safety concerns.
Get out.
Only a couple of times this must happen before the tabloids will be FULL of public outcries
Oh, yeah, you will probably have to find a new job, but if you fly for one of these slave companies that support PTF, you might be better of at home anyhow
At least you showed that you are worthy of your four stripes, have balls and take your responsibility towards our industry in general and your colegues Worldwide in particular.
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REFUSE to fly with a paying passenger in the right seat
it's like listening to my 4 year old son have a tantrum!
I did a 500 hour line training on 737 & not one Captain or FO had a problem with it, I think your on your own with this idea! I also think you may find yourself unemployed very soon with that attitude
if you want to make a career in the airlines you have to pay to get in! and that's the game, if you don't like it pick a different career
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Originally Posted by Leon1983
if you want to make a career in the airlines you have to pay to get in! and that's the game, if you don't like it pick a different career
Originally Posted by Leon1983
I did a 500 hour line training on 737 & not one Captain or FO had a problem with it, I think your on your own with this idea! I also think you may find yourself unemployed very soon with that attitude
a) their employment could be at risk
b) it's not really a good CRM to start arguing about P2F in the cockpit
When a captain asks you how much do you think the FO is worth and you answer "I'd pay 100€/h to do it", do you think he'll be really proud of what good professional FO he has?
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The following was posted by this Leon 1983 on 10/08/2013...
Yes this is true, I self studied everything never had a class room theory session so there are a few things I just never fully understood.
Would have been great to have a fully integrated course, but I went modular pay as you go, doing the theory on my own, and the flight school just wanted to pass everyone!
I will have to see what the future holds, but like you say there are just so many people at the entry level making it near impossible to stand out
I heard on another forum that Cathay had to change a database because there current system could not cope with the amount of applications & everyone had to re-apply.
Ah wish I still had my money and just flew privately!! I have to work an early morning cleaning job 5-8 then my regular job (customer service) 9-5 and then I have a 3rd job in a bar on weekends 7 till late! and all this just to pay back the huge loan I took for the training and LT, I have to say if it had paid off and I had 10 grand per month coming in it would have been worth it, but jeez grounds for depression.com
You are a troll Leon, not a pilot, certainly not a Professional one.
Yes this is true, I self studied everything never had a class room theory session so there are a few things I just never fully understood.
Would have been great to have a fully integrated course, but I went modular pay as you go, doing the theory on my own, and the flight school just wanted to pass everyone!
I will have to see what the future holds, but like you say there are just so many people at the entry level making it near impossible to stand out
I heard on another forum that Cathay had to change a database because there current system could not cope with the amount of applications & everyone had to re-apply.
Ah wish I still had my money and just flew privately!! I have to work an early morning cleaning job 5-8 then my regular job (customer service) 9-5 and then I have a 3rd job in a bar on weekends 7 till late! and all this just to pay back the huge loan I took for the training and LT, I have to say if it had paid off and I had 10 grand per month coming in it would have been worth it, but jeez grounds for depression.com
You are a troll Leon, not a pilot, certainly not a Professional one.
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Leon and other P2Fers are part of the problem, rather than part of the solution. No interview questions other than "Hey... you got bazookums to pay for 500 Hrs. of cooling your heals in the right seat?". No qualifying exams other than the ability to write a cheque. No demonstration of CRM or compassion towards others, other than the desire to satisfy their own gratification by being part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Leon's post of 500 hrs appears to be an alum of the Lion Air Amusement Park
Rest assured, airlines like EY, EK, CX, will not hire the P2Fer until the pool of real pilots dry up
Leon's post of 500 hrs appears to be an alum of the Lion Air Amusement Park
Rest assured, airlines like EY, EK, CX, will not hire the P2Fer until the pool of real pilots dry up
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I flew a lot of singles and twins, flew turboprops, did CRM and all required courses.
The company went bancrupt.
I made a TR in the next company.
After a while the same, the company went bancrupt.
I got no job for a long time.
I had the choice: Let the licence go and stop flying at all or do this.
After all the effort I decided to get the linetraining programm instead of loosing the licence.
For me it was the only way to keep my licence and do my job.
The company went bancrupt.
I made a TR in the next company.
After a while the same, the company went bancrupt.
I got no job for a long time.
I had the choice: Let the licence go and stop flying at all or do this.
After all the effort I decided to get the linetraining programm instead of loosing the licence.
For me it was the only way to keep my licence and do my job.
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For me it was the only way to keep my licence and do my job.
P2Fers, can be compared to Johns hooking seeking out the basic hooket for instant gratification.
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come on captjns, you and all those who hate p2f pilots is because you are worried that the terms and salary for pilots including captain ( when you become one ) will be in the downward trend. Whether you like it or not it will happen and you are just selfish and worry about your own welfare.
Those who hate p2f are mostly current pilots who have already a job and the hours hence they do not require to do p2f and could not care less about others especially the jobless pilots..
Herman have my highest respect, the willingness to take the risk and go ahead with his career rather than do nothing and END his career.
Yeah yeah, we heard about being a FI, ferry flight, jump pilot and bla bla bla, or even an airline sponsored type rating ( which is pretty rare these days ) ONLY to be slap in the face that after accumulating thousands of hours in piston, they tell you, you need min 500 jet hours and the famous phrase "WE ONLY HIRE LOCALS or you need to be a citizen or hold local passport"
captjns,if you are an unemployed pilot today and after sending your resume to almost every airline worldwide with 99% no reply at all, will you do the same thing? or you can hang your expensive cpl blue book in the wall as an expensive memento?
Kudos to herman and would be great if you can share with us struggling jobless pilots on how and which airline you do it so we can also launch our piloting career. There are plenty of scam around and we really need experience from people who have successfully launch their pilot career.
Those who hate p2f are mostly current pilots who have already a job and the hours hence they do not require to do p2f and could not care less about others especially the jobless pilots..
Herman have my highest respect, the willingness to take the risk and go ahead with his career rather than do nothing and END his career.
Yeah yeah, we heard about being a FI, ferry flight, jump pilot and bla bla bla, or even an airline sponsored type rating ( which is pretty rare these days ) ONLY to be slap in the face that after accumulating thousands of hours in piston, they tell you, you need min 500 jet hours and the famous phrase "WE ONLY HIRE LOCALS or you need to be a citizen or hold local passport"
captjns,if you are an unemployed pilot today and after sending your resume to almost every airline worldwide with 99% no reply at all, will you do the same thing? or you can hang your expensive cpl blue book in the wall as an expensive memento?
Kudos to herman and would be great if you can share with us struggling jobless pilots on how and which airline you do it so we can also launch our piloting career. There are plenty of scam around and we really need experience from people who have successfully launch their pilot career.
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You're damn right I worry about my own welfare. Who else is going to?
You think I shouldn't...just so someone can essentially jump the queue and subsidise an airlines' bottom line for their own gratification?
You think I shouldn't...just so someone can essentially jump the queue and subsidise an airlines' bottom line for their own gratification?