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Old 25th Jul 2009, 21:27
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What about the airframes they are going to randomly ditch over the next year or two...cos lets face it..BA are in the sh1t!

I hope it works for you guys, but lets face it......any recruitment before 2012 will be a bonus.

All the best..
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Old 26th Jul 2009, 14:33
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WindSheer,

Don't write it all off too soon. The 757's were going anyway and are still being back filled now with Airbus. The 767 will soldier on in the Medium Haul category and the 747 was due to be slowly phased away and replaced by the more fuel efficient 777. 4 777-300 ER's coming this/next year. The current projection is a winter schedule 3-4% draw down. Not huge!

Even with the LH/SH draw down and the VR the company are managing the current, minor, pilot surplus well.

As 757_Driver has stated this all depends upon the shape of the current economic recession and both its depth and length. I feel if we could all possess that sort of crystal ball then we wouldn't be working in this industry!

The next year will be crucial. This coming winter season could be a killer for many airlines. Next year will be, imho, slim pickings. After that? Who knows.

I wouldn't write off a mid to late 2011 time frame though.
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Old 27th Jul 2009, 10:13
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Has anyone who hasn't received an email actually got in touch with BA to see why not? Are they keeping some people in the pool and chucking everyone else out?
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Old 28th Jul 2009, 16:35
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All the people who haven't heard anything, it's just that BA forgot to send us the email.

BA sent group emails as they did in March, but forgot a group of about 16 of us.

So once JM has been forwarded the email he sent to us in March, he will then know who didn't get the email from last week and then send us all the bad news.

A little unprofessional I think, but I am not at all surprised.

I am guessing now that this thread will go quite till mid 2011, good luck to all in the mean time.

Evian

Off to drink some of the water I have been swimming in for the past year!!
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 07:48
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I'm sure you have all heard: Ba have declared a reduction in the amount of flying they will undertake in the next 3 seasons, up to 31 Mar 2011. This is likely to result in a surplus of approximately 100 pilots.

Negotiations are commencing to discuss how this surplus will be handled.

Worthy of note, is the fact that, due to the recent offer of Voluntary Redundancy, it is highly unlikely that any of the pilot workforce are considering retiring in the next 12-18 months!
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Old 24th Aug 2009, 17:34
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Evian did you eventually receive the e-mail? I'm still waiting.
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Old 25th Aug 2009, 19:31
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I got it a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 18th Jan 2010, 21:00
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Copied from the PPRUNE BA cabin crew thread

Message from Willie Walsh

Dear colleague

It has been a year since we started talks with the trade unions to do everything we can to save our airline in the face of the worst economic crisis in our history.

There has been a seismic shift in our industry, with the slump in business travel driving down our revenue by £1 billion. The fragility of our industry means many airlines have gone bust and others, such as our oneworld partner Japan Airlines, are on the brink of bankruptcy.

Despite this and the recent talks at the Trades Union Council (TUC), Unite still refuses to accept our cost saving proposals in IFCE and, as you know, it has announced another cabin crew strike ballot, raising the prospect of major disruption to our customers.

I know many of you will once again be appalled at the distress a strike would cause our customers and the damage it will do to our company – especially when so many of you have already made sacrifices.

That is why I am writing to you today.

I am asking for volunteers to back BA by training to work alongside cabin crew who choose not to support a strike, so we are ready to keep our customers flying as much as we possibly can if this strike goes ahead.


How to volunteer

If you would be willing to volunteer for both the training and the subsequent work in the air we will ask you to register via the homepage of the intranet.

From tomorrow, you can sign up to train to become volunteer cabin crew. We will be advertising the scheme across the airline, but will focus initially on people who are available in the key period and who meet the relevant criteria. Later on, there will also be the opportunity to volunteer for our customer support programme on the ground.

There will be a wealth of information on the intranet to help you choose which role would be right for you, and you should also speak with your manager before you volunteer.

Thank you for backing BA

In recent weeks, hundreds of you have volunteered in the terminals during the unprecedented winter weather to support our customers and our operation. Operational colleagues including our cabin crew have pulled out all the stops under very difficult circumstances. And only last weekend we were inundated with volunteers to take the relief 747 out to Haiti.

The path back to profitability is not easy but many of you have not only understood what is required but also made sacrifices. Reducing our costs and changing how we are structured while remaining focused on our customers are essential for our long-term survival.

I hope that Unite will recognise that a way forward can be found without the need for them to threaten our customers holidays and travel plans and I remain available to meet with them at any time.

In the meantime, thank you for volunteering and for backing BA and our customers.
I have a bit of spare time on my hands at the moment so I have just emailed Capt JM to volunteer if required. They took all our details for security passes etc after all.

On a different point if BA gets all this cabin crew nonsense sorted out does anyone think that they will be expanding the route network or frequency for the summer? And if so will there be any requirement for recruitment? Or are all the present crew working at well under capacity?

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Old 19th Jan 2010, 07:01
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Interesting use of language "flaps", perhaps even a bit confrontational.....

For the sake of completeness the volunteer list is being filled by folks from all departments, Frankly many people in BA, be they in BALPA, Unite, or Anyother union are not prepared to lie down and let this dispute bankrupt the company. If you think "JM", worries about people signing up for a volunteer list then think again.

binsleepin - I wouldn't hold your breath, apart from the length of time it takes to process the record check I'd say that whilst it is probably legitimate for the Company to use current employees to man flights, hiring new labour specifically to strike break might be a bridge to far legally . Expansion in the wake of all this? Sadly forget it, until at least this time next year, IMHO of course. I think most of us at BA are just hoping to reach the end of this year with our jobs intact.

Good luck anyway.
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Old 13th Mar 2010, 22:52
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The word from friends in BA is that recruitment is tentatively forecast at some point in 2011. Their premuim traffic has recently risen for the first time since the start of the recession so here's hoping. The 2011 prediction has come from many sources including management pilots. We shall see...
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Old 14th Mar 2010, 14:45
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In the companys monthly publication Flight Ops News it was mentioned a few months back that there was the possibility for some recruitment (albeit very limited) at some point in 2011.
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 23:31
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As this is a Rumour Network...

I have also heard the 2011 forecast that BMRR and CB mention above. There certainly appears to be some positive news around for once, but it is worth bearing in mind that the pick up in Premium Traffic could be 'statistical' only given the weather factor in Feb 09? The Press Release (from the BA website for the figures) quotes "Traffic comprised a 5.0 per cent increase in premium traffic and a 0.3 per cent increase in non-premium traffic. Last year's February traffic data was affected by significant weather disruption in the first week of the month."

That aside I'm really hoping that this is good news for once and the signs of a few more green shoots in the industry...

JL
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Old 24th May 2010, 21:51
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Any news on how they plan to recruit?

One rumour I heard was a re-interview only of the last batch of successful applicants from around mMay - Jul 2008

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Old 25th May 2010, 09:24
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A pal of mine who was in the hold pool before it was disbanded said that the company informed them that at the next round of recruitment they would be given first dibs re the application process.

Whether this means...

A guaranteed interview minus the psychobable (as they've done it and passed already)

A guaranteed 'full' day one selection placement minus the online application part

I dont know.

CB
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Old 25th May 2010, 12:02
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There could be considerable movement coming up.

Due to the last governments' punitive pension contribution taxes on high earners, 900 or so may need to go part time soon,causing maybe 200 vacancies to arise.

Maybe the new coalition will realise that these unfair taxes will raise less revenue than the status quo due to discouraging work though.

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Old 26th May 2010, 07:04
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If what you say is correct, Snooky, that will be 200 more jobs and hardly any change in the living standards for the 900 additional part-timers, except perhaps a better quality of life for them and more time spent with the family.
Most taxes are unfair for someone and I agree a 50% rate will probably raise no additional revenue, but you cannot blame the former Government for sticking to their principles of taking from the well off and giving it away to the poor!
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Old 26th May 2010, 19:21
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Hi Simmy, I suspect many guys could acccept the 50% rate. There is also loss of personal tax allowance and loss of tax relief on pensions.

You are correct in saying if these high earning pilots go part time they do less work, but still keep 95% of their take home. What would you do in the same situation?

Obverall UK plc will get less tax revenue cos people do not want to work for the tax man. It proves the diminishing returns from increased rates of taxation.

On the plus side it may create some vacancies for swimmers in the (ex)hold pool.
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Old 27th May 2010, 11:13
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To TheKabaka

Hi, I didn't read the post properly - the reference of course was to pension contributions being allowed only at the lower rate.
As we all know in this job timing is everything - and that's almost always down to luck. My view, for what it's worth, is take an early bath if you can afford it, and create a bit of space below you. However, I had my early bath forced on me, age 58, due to a dodgy ECG and it proved a real blessing. I've only just packed in working (age 71) and that's because I let my SFI licence lapse! And I enjoyed every minute, I mean it, despite the midnight slots and the occasional know all! There is still fun at work.
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Old 27th May 2010, 19:24
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Overall UK plc will get less tax revenue cos people do not want to work for the tax man. It proves the diminishing returns from increased rates of taxation.
Ah, but the new guys taken on will pay tax. The tax man never loses.

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Old 27th May 2010, 19:27
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sadly D+F you are probably right
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