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Sounds like the Great Escape.... Any ideas on the number of Regionla guys who have got a break to the Wide body world? If guys do leave do they have long to wait before the trip to Doha. Did anyone get a nod from other ME Carriers?
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Seventeen have admitted the interview and sim, so quite a few, and one other guy has already resigned for a biz jet job!
As to who goes, that's a personal choice to be decided by them. I know they are keen to get them to Doha ASAP, so depending on the outcome of the bull**** redundancy issue and the ongoing pay dispute many may well be off.
I think in recent months the management have overstepped the mark and people will be looking to move on.
As always though, it's a fluid world we live in.
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As to who goes, that's a personal choice to be decided by them. I know they are keen to get them to Doha ASAP, so depending on the outcome of the bull**** redundancy issue and the ongoing pay dispute many may well be off.
I think in recent months the management have overstepped the mark and people will be looking to move on.
As always though, it's a fluid world we live in.
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I don't think anyone from bmir is getting to "the wide-body world"... people so far have 'only' been offered A320, as far as I am aware.
As for other ME operators, Emirates won't take people with experience on A/C less than 50 tonnes so that counts out EMB hours. I haven't heard about anyone talking to Ethiad.
At the moment the company is still several people over-crewed due to the reduction of service from Aberdeen, so recruitment is not assured, but is likely, it just depends how many guys actually go to Qatar.
I don't think anyone from bmir is getting to "the wide-body world"... people so far have 'only' been offered A320, as far as I am aware.
As for other ME operators, Emirates won't take people with experience on A/C less than 50 tonnes so that counts out EMB hours. I haven't heard about anyone talking to Ethiad.
At the moment the company is still several people over-crewed due to the reduction of service from Aberdeen, so recruitment is not assured, but is likely, it just depends how many guys actually go to Qatar.
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bmir is like a scene from the great escape, bags are packed, taxi's are waiting. This could be the first stage in the recruitment toilet getting unblocked.
Experience requirements are flexible, if they are not intrested in less than 50ton people why have they bothered interviewing and sim checking so many? As many as 15-20 may go over the wall shortly, good luck all.
Experience requirements are flexible, if they are not intrested in less than 50ton people why have they bothered interviewing and sim checking so many? As many as 15-20 may go over the wall shortly, good luck all.
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Thats alot of people looking to jump. Are there guys still awaiting or going for assesments with Qatar. I see that many of the Ex GSM and some of the TOM people are also in the system. How quickly would bmir need to get replacements on courses if this all does go ahead, I would imagine they would need to be line ready by the start of the summer, same goes for the people going to Doha.
Best of luck to all
Best of luck to all
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Overcrewed my arse! The reason we are getting rostered single days off is down to shortage of pilots! And that came from our ex head off rostering pb.
They cite long term sickness as another reason but 2-3 pilots will not turn things for the better.
I await events with interest
They cite long term sickness as another reason but 2-3 pilots will not turn things for the better.
I await events with interest
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Is the crew issue fleet wide or at specific bases. Is there an intention to create a crew base at Bristol and Newcastle, or is that part of the current planning regarding crew soon to be released.
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I'm guessing people are waiting until the end of the consultation process before they leave? Or are they going asap to make sure they don't miss the boat for Doha??
Good luck to all.
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Is the consultation process for the entire bmi Group or just regional and not just related to Pilots. And is it also based on future operations for the group, ie Fleet size, routes, bases etc?
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I think bmi have settled the pay issue with all exept the pilot workforce.
At the moment the company want us to sign away 2 years of pay increase for no redundancies in this round. Now it is going for a ballot of members to accept or reject.
I personally will reject this, as I feel redundancies are a slim risk. But bmi could also stand for bloody minded individuals and a certain DF from the hall may push for redundancies to prove a point.
Either way with a large number of people commuting huge distances with no prospect of ever getting their base choice(told in interview 3 to 6 months max) the money is a make or break issue.
D and F
At the moment the company want us to sign away 2 years of pay increase for no redundancies in this round. Now it is going for a ballot of members to accept or reject.
I personally will reject this, as I feel redundancies are a slim risk. But bmi could also stand for bloody minded individuals and a certain DF from the hall may push for redundancies to prove a point.
Either way with a large number of people commuting huge distances with no prospect of ever getting their base choice(told in interview 3 to 6 months max) the money is a make or break issue.
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I feel redundancies are a slim risk
No wonder its in a mess: workforce as dumb as the old management.
Doesn't all that sand get in your eyes, though?
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So how do you compute that a company which (allegedly) has never made a loss, and is certainly making money at the moment, will go out of business?
Sold?...maybe, probably not.
Amalgamated with the rest of BMI/Lufty?....very unlikely.
Bankrupt?....certainly not.
No redundancies are pretty much are assured now, just leaves us with the current (unsustainable) lifestyle and the pay deal. Considering we are highly likely to lose the tax break on our expenses...The pay deal is the least the management can do.
Sold?...maybe, probably not.
Amalgamated with the rest of BMI/Lufty?....very unlikely.
Bankrupt?....certainly not.
No redundancies are pretty much are assured now, just leaves us with the current (unsustainable) lifestyle and the pay deal. Considering we are highly likely to lose the tax break on our expenses...The pay deal is the least the management can do.
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Regional told half the workforce on joining you will get your base within 3-6 months, that you have a great lifestyle agreement and the 3 year pay package!
The reality is I have spent 3 1/2 years commuting to see my kids, staff travel is more expensive than Easyjet and as for lifestyle that is a joke with single days off because of crew shortage.
In addition first officers are still paying £167 a month taken from net pay! How many ways are there squeeze the guys? That is why people are going to Doha.
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Regional told half the workforce on joining you will get your base within 3-6 months, that you have a great lifestyle agreement and the 3 year pay package!
The reality is I have spent 3 1/2 years commuting to see my kids, staff travel is more expensive than Easyjet and as for lifestyle that is a joke with single days off because of crew shortage.
In addition first officers are still paying £167 a month taken from net pay! How many ways are there squeeze the guys? That is why people are going to Doha.
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As far as the company is concerned we are over-crewed - hence why a certain Leeds based pilot just left without serving a full three months notice period. I also recently asked SM how quickly I could leave if I resigned and was told that "at the moment, notice periods can be reduced because we are over-crewed".
We are all aware that in reality the figures the company have set for crewing levels are absolute rubbish, but don't expect uncle Bill to suddenly employ more people just because we are all working max hours. Try to remember that sCrewing see CAA hour limits as a target rather than as a maximum and expect another summer of discontent, just how it was in 2006!
Having been on duty for over 55hrs in the last 7 days I'm very aware that there are not enough pilots flying the line.
As far as the company is concerned we are over-crewed - hence why a certain Leeds based pilot just left without serving a full three months notice period. I also recently asked SM how quickly I could leave if I resigned and was told that "at the moment, notice periods can be reduced because we are over-crewed".
We are all aware that in reality the figures the company have set for crewing levels are absolute rubbish, but don't expect uncle Bill to suddenly employ more people just because we are all working max hours. Try to remember that sCrewing see CAA hour limits as a target rather than as a maximum and expect another summer of discontent, just how it was in 2006!
Having been on duty for over 55hrs in the last 7 days I'm very aware that there are not enough pilots flying the line.
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The guy who left was originally told he had to work 3 months, but as I understand it when he reminded them he had a threat of redundancy letter they had to reconsider!
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No, you haven't got it wrong - we are under crewed, I totally agree.
The management, however, still believe that we are over-crewed and at the moment while we all work max hours every month with minimum days off the schedule is still being met. How many flights have been cancelled because of crew shortage? None yet that I am aware of, so therefore as far as the company are concerned, there are enough pilots - it doesn't matter that crewing are buying days off - it's cheaper than employing people!
My original point was aimed at those in the hold pool who are desperate to join the company - and that is that recruitment might not happen as quickly as the rest of us might like - even if several chaps do go off to Qatar!
The management, however, still believe that we are over-crewed and at the moment while we all work max hours every month with minimum days off the schedule is still being met. How many flights have been cancelled because of crew shortage? None yet that I am aware of, so therefore as far as the company are concerned, there are enough pilots - it doesn't matter that crewing are buying days off - it's cheaper than employing people!
My original point was aimed at those in the hold pool who are desperate to join the company - and that is that recruitment might not happen as quickly as the rest of us might like - even if several chaps do go off to Qatar!
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Quotes:
"I personally will reject this [sign(ing) away 2 years of pay increase], as I feel redundancies are a slim risk." (D&F)
"No redundancies are pretty much are assured now... ...The pay deal is the least the management can do." (s,s,s)
Do you guys work for an airline in 2010, or are you on a set for some science fiction show? Haven't you noticed that the entire airline industry is under attack from 'the economy', politicians, "greenies", etc.
Hopefully you're both a bit more wide awake when flying an aeroplane that you seem to be when 'sprouting forth' here!!!
"I personally will reject this [sign(ing) away 2 years of pay increase], as I feel redundancies are a slim risk." (D&F)
"No redundancies are pretty much are assured now... ...The pay deal is the least the management can do." (s,s,s)
Do you guys work for an airline in 2010, or are you on a set for some science fiction show? Haven't you noticed that the entire airline industry is under attack from 'the economy', politicians, "greenies", etc.
Hopefully you're both a bit more wide awake when flying an aeroplane that you seem to be when 'sprouting forth' here!!!