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Enough with AAI -getting sick of them. And to those of you "ohhhhhh I had such a fantastic time in AAI, and where is Captain Chaos and Base Commander Head Up My Arse": You will find an appropriate forum on this site to finde your friends. In the mean time I would like to hear what people and especially those fired, ULV, etc think and what we should do about the task at hand i.e. AAI
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So much anger, forgot to take the old chillpill this morning?
The situation is what it is and there is nothing you can do except choose wether you take it with or without vaseline.
The situation is what it is and there is nothing you can do except choose wether you take it with or without vaseline.
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Well what is there that any contractor can do, its an Icelandic company that must keep its Icelandic employees, or else they are out of business.
A lot of these employees don't know how good they have it...mainly because they are ignorant and arrogant, they don't realize that basically they are unemployable anywhere else with the attitudes they have...they have no respect for anyone nor their own company that gives them such wonderful benefits.
Contractors haven't a leg to stand on, you are given a contract, you sign it, and there you have it and besides, what do you guys want AAI to do, its been a dreadful year for them, if things were booming we all would still be there now, its a survival game in tough circumstances.
Yes, I have had great times in AAI, how can I complain when they gave me a 747 type rating and upgrade to Captain, they didn't have to do that, yes I want to keep flying and be there, but we all know what is going on, they only have about 15 aircraft flying now, when I joined, there was about 25 to 30 aircraft.
I guess we just have to wait and see if the company can navigate itself out of this dreaful situation, and its not only AAI suffering, its everywhere, and I'm suffereing as well, no income and bills to pay....
A lot of these employees don't know how good they have it...mainly because they are ignorant and arrogant, they don't realize that basically they are unemployable anywhere else with the attitudes they have...they have no respect for anyone nor their own company that gives them such wonderful benefits.
Contractors haven't a leg to stand on, you are given a contract, you sign it, and there you have it and besides, what do you guys want AAI to do, its been a dreadful year for them, if things were booming we all would still be there now, its a survival game in tough circumstances.
Yes, I have had great times in AAI, how can I complain when they gave me a 747 type rating and upgrade to Captain, they didn't have to do that, yes I want to keep flying and be there, but we all know what is going on, they only have about 15 aircraft flying now, when I joined, there was about 25 to 30 aircraft.
I guess we just have to wait and see if the company can navigate itself out of this dreaful situation, and its not only AAI suffering, its everywhere, and I'm suffereing as well, no income and bills to pay....
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JUMBOLLOYD........ I revel in informing you, but "IF" YOU were given an early command in AAI...YOU are a most likely a certifiable Tw*t and AAI seriously overestimated your potential. I have seen this happen many times before in AAI, and know wherefore I speak, so please don't feel I am singling you out in any way...you're not THAT special. I know who you are from your comments....... my humble, and honest, sentiments are only a reflection of the feelings of your colleagues who have had to pull YOUR weight on numerous occasions. That being said, I hope you are able to meet your financial commitments until you find a real job.
"Wonderful benefits"????? What have you been smoking???? Contractors at AAI have been screwed progressively since I joined, well before you were flying ANYTHING with turbines or turboprops. We fought for 6/2 rosters....we fought for FBC's, only to have hem snatched away because of FIA/FFF demands. The Icelandic banking crisis is only a pretense, this has been planned by the venerable "Federation of Flying Fish" for yonks.
Helgi and Hannes should be really ashamed at what they have allowed them to get away with. I don't know for certain what pressures have been brought to bear by the Icelandic Government, and don't really care, but running a business at the whim of a bunch of pedantic primadonnas is a certain path to extinction. Arngrimmur would NEVER have let this happen. If ANI had not been usurped by TM and KN, I'm certain HE would have tried to talk some sense into Hannes and Helgi. To be fair, Trausti would probably also not have let this pass without acting on the courage of his convictions. Not so, for the erstwhile simulator technician currently in charge.
The current problems in KL are also echoed in JED, AMS and BRU .... Icelandic crews refusing to fly rostered sectors, refusing charters...all stuff that could keep AAI afloat... and possibly open up return of "productive" ex-pat crews. The Ice-kaffers are treating their new bases as spring-boards for extended vacations. They have no compunctions of guilt or feelings of shame for what they have done....... After all, they are the Master Race. I am just glad that I have a firm position now, that will NOT be available when AAI folds and they hit the streets looking for jobs. They are getting a taste now, by parking one of the MAS Kargo airplanes in TAS. How will they decide which crews have to leave KUL?
With a few exceptions, I will reserve any positive feed-back to my current employer (or anyone else for that matter) for ANY Icelander in need of a job. Collectively, we have been treated like something to be wiped from one's shoe. Payback is a Muther ! Be prepared ! Some of us ARE appreciated by our new bosses. Believe me, they will not find it as easy to find a new job as it was to screw us out of our livelihoods. Good old Ricardo Montalban expressed it concisely in "Wrath of Khan".... ..."Revenge is a dish best served cold"
Have a very, very nice day .......
Perhaps you should stay under your rock.
FOR ZNOTE: "Carpe Diem"..... find a job, and don't worry about AAI.... it's soon to go the way of Branniff.
FOR 747JJ: Have a great time in MOW.... remember, they don't like Scandi-nubian, or Finnish, Captains in Chesterfields !! heh heh....I know you'll get in anyway, just keep a low profile, OK, Janne?
Hope all of the recently "rooted" find jobs soon. Best pay back is NOT to be available when the AAI slime crawls back to you with the 90% contract.
Cheers
"Wonderful benefits"????? What have you been smoking???? Contractors at AAI have been screwed progressively since I joined, well before you were flying ANYTHING with turbines or turboprops. We fought for 6/2 rosters....we fought for FBC's, only to have hem snatched away because of FIA/FFF demands. The Icelandic banking crisis is only a pretense, this has been planned by the venerable "Federation of Flying Fish" for yonks.
Helgi and Hannes should be really ashamed at what they have allowed them to get away with. I don't know for certain what pressures have been brought to bear by the Icelandic Government, and don't really care, but running a business at the whim of a bunch of pedantic primadonnas is a certain path to extinction. Arngrimmur would NEVER have let this happen. If ANI had not been usurped by TM and KN, I'm certain HE would have tried to talk some sense into Hannes and Helgi. To be fair, Trausti would probably also not have let this pass without acting on the courage of his convictions. Not so, for the erstwhile simulator technician currently in charge.
The current problems in KL are also echoed in JED, AMS and BRU .... Icelandic crews refusing to fly rostered sectors, refusing charters...all stuff that could keep AAI afloat... and possibly open up return of "productive" ex-pat crews. The Ice-kaffers are treating their new bases as spring-boards for extended vacations. They have no compunctions of guilt or feelings of shame for what they have done....... After all, they are the Master Race. I am just glad that I have a firm position now, that will NOT be available when AAI folds and they hit the streets looking for jobs. They are getting a taste now, by parking one of the MAS Kargo airplanes in TAS. How will they decide which crews have to leave KUL?
With a few exceptions, I will reserve any positive feed-back to my current employer (or anyone else for that matter) for ANY Icelander in need of a job. Collectively, we have been treated like something to be wiped from one's shoe. Payback is a Muther ! Be prepared ! Some of us ARE appreciated by our new bosses. Believe me, they will not find it as easy to find a new job as it was to screw us out of our livelihoods. Good old Ricardo Montalban expressed it concisely in "Wrath of Khan".... ..."Revenge is a dish best served cold"
Have a very, very nice day .......
Perhaps you should stay under your rock.FOR ZNOTE: "Carpe Diem"..... find a job, and don't worry about AAI.... it's soon to go the way of Branniff.
FOR 747JJ: Have a great time in MOW.... remember, they don't like Scandi-nubian, or Finnish, Captains in Chesterfields !! heh heh....I know you'll get in anyway, just keep a low profile, OK, Janne?
Hope all of the recently "rooted" find jobs soon. Best pay back is NOT to be available when the AAI slime crawls back to you with the 90% contract.
Cheers
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No Paladini, you don't know who I am nor anyone has anyone ever had to pull my weight around, I've always had to do that myself. As for early command, how do you measure that, how early is early, I suppose after 38 years in aviation I still got my command early it seems I wonder when I will ever qualify then.
Who do you think I was refering to when I said that "they" didn't know how good they have it. Well I though I was refering to the Triple "F"s, maybe you were on drugs, by the way I thought FFF stood for "Flying, Fishing, and F**king", and its the last item that they are doing everywhere they go and thats what they are doing to their own company.
AAI has to have the FFF's, there is no doubt in my mind that the Ice Gov and the ICAA won't let AAI operate without their own countrymen in their own company. Helgi and Hannes' hands are tied, they have to work with the bloody minded unions they have up there, they have seige and little nation mentality, its as if they feel everyone outside their circle is out to get them.
Imagine Lufthansa with no Germans flying for it or B.A. with no Brits, the reason you got 6/2 or FBC is because it suited AAI, but the FFF force issues that don't make sense, like their 3 weeks on and 3 weeks off, oh can't fly when I get to KUL because the poor FFF is jet lagged so another 3 days off, then have to be back on the icerock on the certain day so have to leave KUL 3 or so days early, so how productive is that, really its 2 weeks on 4 weeks off with Business Class travel I believe, nice work if you can get it.
Meanwhile we have Malaysians pilots and F/E's who have homes in KUL would cost the company zip and no travel expences or Saujana extravaganzas, but noooo, cant have that, so as I say, what can a contractor do.
Thus I said, as contractors we have no choice, you sign the document and there you have it for better or worse, so I was very appreciative when they gave me a type rating and then an upgrade, that was never part of my contract, so I got something I never though I would get.
With all that, I think I will go and find my rock and crawl back under it.
Who do you think I was refering to when I said that "they" didn't know how good they have it. Well I though I was refering to the Triple "F"s, maybe you were on drugs, by the way I thought FFF stood for "Flying, Fishing, and F**king", and its the last item that they are doing everywhere they go and thats what they are doing to their own company.
AAI has to have the FFF's, there is no doubt in my mind that the Ice Gov and the ICAA won't let AAI operate without their own countrymen in their own company. Helgi and Hannes' hands are tied, they have to work with the bloody minded unions they have up there, they have seige and little nation mentality, its as if they feel everyone outside their circle is out to get them.
Imagine Lufthansa with no Germans flying for it or B.A. with no Brits, the reason you got 6/2 or FBC is because it suited AAI, but the FFF force issues that don't make sense, like their 3 weeks on and 3 weeks off, oh can't fly when I get to KUL because the poor FFF is jet lagged so another 3 days off, then have to be back on the icerock on the certain day so have to leave KUL 3 or so days early, so how productive is that, really its 2 weeks on 4 weeks off with Business Class travel I believe, nice work if you can get it.
Meanwhile we have Malaysians pilots and F/E's who have homes in KUL would cost the company zip and no travel expences or Saujana extravaganzas, but noooo, cant have that, so as I say, what can a contractor do.
Thus I said, as contractors we have no choice, you sign the document and there you have it for better or worse, so I was very appreciative when they gave me a type rating and then an upgrade, that was never part of my contract, so I got something I never though I would get.
With all that, I think I will go and find my rock and crawl back under it.
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Any more updates on the state of AAI, the locals and the other master race?
Just want to see a few individuals get a taste of their own medicine.
I have a bottle of fine bubbly in ice.
Just want to see a few individuals get a taste of their own medicine.
I have a bottle of fine bubbly in ice.
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I really hope that bottle of fine bubbly is a MAGNUM. There are about 115 (at last count) guys who will be itching to toast the demise of the Fantasy Island Group.
Last news, a week or 2 ago is: the Angola-Beijing contract is in serious jeopardy due to air rights negociations. Doesn't look like it will happen any time soon.
Best of luck to the poor sods who were screwed. Any updates from KUL or JED?
Last news, a week or 2 ago is: the Angola-Beijing contract is in serious jeopardy due to air rights negociations. Doesn't look like it will happen any time soon.
Best of luck to the poor sods who were screwed. Any updates from KUL or JED?
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Well thats a bit of bad news re the Angola to Beijing contract, I hope it works out for AAI, as I figure it would be good and require a few crews and a bit more variety for the lovelly CCM's. However, I did hear there is rumor that Saudia want more aircraft, not sure how many but I thought it was around 2, hope it works out.
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However, I did hear there is rumor that Saudia want more aircraft, not sure how many but I thought it was around 2, hope it works out.
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I hear the same ShXt,from saudiacity.Hope its not true! If so...then the blues brothers better get their act togheter and find more contracts outside the sandpit!
Question? How long could iclandic CAA continue re-validating non-jar licences?12 months is practical in the rest of europe exept the bankrupt icerock and the green island were its chilly wx all the time.
Question? How long could iclandic CAA continue re-validating non-jar licences?12 months is practical in the rest of europe exept the bankrupt icerock and the green island were its chilly wx all the time.
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"Question? How long could iclandic CAA continue re-validating non-jar licences?12 months is practical in the rest of europe exept the bankrupt icerock and the green island were its chilly wx all the time."
I'm not sure you should waste your time worrying about validations. You should worry that the new owners at AAI might someday realize that they gain no competitive advantage by remaining an Icelandic company. They could make far more money by registering all the aircraft in some other "Category 1" country, dumping the "local" union crews in favor of the much more productive contractors and continuing the operation as an "offshore" entity. These "flag of convenience" airlines are quite common now and I really don't think SV cares about what the tail # is. You could still call it Air Atlanta and it would have the same management, but you could dump the union and register the planes in a country with much less regulatory oversight. Much more money to be made by leaving Iceland!
I'm not sure you should waste your time worrying about validations. You should worry that the new owners at AAI might someday realize that they gain no competitive advantage by remaining an Icelandic company. They could make far more money by registering all the aircraft in some other "Category 1" country, dumping the "local" union crews in favor of the much more productive contractors and continuing the operation as an "offshore" entity. These "flag of convenience" airlines are quite common now and I really don't think SV cares about what the tail # is. You could still call it Air Atlanta and it would have the same management, but you could dump the union and register the planes in a country with much less regulatory oversight. Much more money to be made by leaving Iceland!
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Well I couldn't agree more, if its true, and SV does not renew the contract then AAI is doomed, and the final nailing of the coffin will be by MH, as the there is no one from fantasy island out there on the ground at the coal face asking the right questions and out there doing everything to keep the remaining customers they have happy.
Unfortunately AAI hierarchy like to surround themselves with kiss ass yes men and appoint some people in positions that defie belief and do nothing except keep some seat warm, like station managers for instance, base commanders that you never see or have any interaction with, with a policy of when in doubt shoot the messenger.
Do the people up there in fantasy island office know anything, this STAMA stupid mothers club really live in some looney land that talk about what soup they will have for lunch and where to will be the next mystery trip.
There is a handful of good switched on guys amongs the FFF, but few and far between, and this 3/3 and travelling expences with $1000 to work a day off no flexibilty to rosters etc etc is just unbelievable, anyway...its their company, as someone has said while its based in Iceland it must employ their own, and yes I guess if they move of shore then a different story, but its TF- registered, that involves ICAA and the goverment like it or not it has to be Icelandic.
I can just imagine the pressure AAI must be under from the relatives and connections and favours that have to be redeemed, its a Scandanavian mindset and thats how they do business its time for AAI to get tough with the FFF union and the FFF pilots have shape up or ship out, but then if they want to screw up their own company what can a contractor do, we are not employees just hired hands.
Unfortunately AAI hierarchy like to surround themselves with kiss ass yes men and appoint some people in positions that defie belief and do nothing except keep some seat warm, like station managers for instance, base commanders that you never see or have any interaction with, with a policy of when in doubt shoot the messenger.
Do the people up there in fantasy island office know anything, this STAMA stupid mothers club really live in some looney land that talk about what soup they will have for lunch and where to will be the next mystery trip.
There is a handful of good switched on guys amongs the FFF, but few and far between, and this 3/3 and travelling expences with $1000 to work a day off no flexibilty to rosters etc etc is just unbelievable, anyway...its their company, as someone has said while its based in Iceland it must employ their own, and yes I guess if they move of shore then a different story, but its TF- registered, that involves ICAA and the goverment like it or not it has to be Icelandic.
I can just imagine the pressure AAI must be under from the relatives and connections and favours that have to be redeemed, its a Scandanavian mindset and thats how they do business its time for AAI to get tough with the FFF union and the FFF pilots have shape up or ship out, but then if they want to screw up their own company what can a contractor do, we are not employees just hired hands.
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" its a Scandanavian mindset and thats how they do business "
That it how they do business but trust me, it is not a Scandinavian mindset and this is NOT how we do business or run companies in Scandinavia or Finland.
" its a Scandanavian mindset and thats how they do business "
That it how they do business but trust me, it is not a Scandinavian mindset and this is NOT how we do business or run companies in Scandinavia or Finland.
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