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Old 10th Jan 2010, 14:30
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Eze Emb's

Has anyone heard where these EMB's are comming from? Are they going to be on the EZE AOC flown by their crews or wet leased in from another outfit with crews?
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Old 18th Jan 2010, 20:44
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to anyone with the answers

Are the Saabs based anywhere other than Aberdeen and what sort of rosters do they have? Is there any more new on the Embraers? To those based at Aberdeen does anyone commute from England or are the rosters such that you need to live nearby?

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Old 21st Jan 2010, 13:26
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Saab's are in Aberdeen, 1 in Norwich.
Rosters are busy, unstable, & erratic.
Commuting not really an option for Aberdeen, a couple of senior capt's do it, but normal folk are expected to live in Abz.
Few benefits, but job security is probably better than average at the moment.
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 10:23
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Any Further news regarding these EMB 145's that have been mentioned? Any idea where they are being sourced from and for what routes?
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 10:31
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There are 2 x 135's coming shortly. Ex Air France Regional aircraft. Location TBC, mostly for use on charter work.
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 10:38
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Sounds like good news for Eastern.
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Old 6th Jul 2010, 20:08
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Any more news?
Believe the 135's are coming online, will this drive recruitment or is it an ACMI arrangement or perhaps contractors. I know there had been whispers of some of the senior guys being moved across.
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Old 6th Jul 2010, 20:12
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I know of 2 ex TOM guys already taken on for the EMB
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Old 21st Jul 2010, 22:11
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Has anyone attended interviews for Eastern recently?

We are short of crew, rumours that saab fleet is struggling especially for Captains, but no formal recruitment going on...?
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Direct entry captains are usually bonded at Eastern. There seems to be reluctance to promote Fo's on the saab due to the high PIC requirement for Scatsta.

Anyone been for an interview recently?
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About time RL got his hands in his pockets and gave pay rises to all the hard working crew.

Patience is running very thin now
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Old 23rd Jul 2010, 08:37
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e30k for an ATR rating with no guaranteed employment???? You're having a laugh SC arn't you??? These companies take the biscuit don't they? Mind you, if there are desperados out there who would contemplate such an overtly insulting and exploitative deal, then there is no hope for this industry. Hopefully, folks are finally starting to smell the coffee................
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Old 24th Jul 2010, 06:30
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They have already arrived.

2 anyway, Both at Humberside at the moment
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Old 26th Oct 2010, 18:40
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Mention is often made of the "high hours requirement" for the Scatsta contract. Can anyone shed any light on the numbers we're talking about? Does it apply only to Captains, or also to FOs?
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Old 26th Oct 2010, 19:48
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When I last flew there in 2008 the high hours requirement was minimum 6000 hours for Captains for the IAC contract, but most had significantly more than this and have been flying to the Shetland islands for years for all the various operators. (Brymon/Brit World/BAF/Flightline) There were some stipulations for F/Os such as time on type (50 hours I think?) but not much else.
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Old 26th Oct 2010, 20:13
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Scatsta Requirements:-

Capt: 4000hrs total, 2500hrs command, 100hrs on type
F/O: 100hrs on type, I believe

Possibly a Shell insurance requirement?
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Old 27th Oct 2010, 13:14
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Interesting!

Is the Scatsta requirement 2500 hrs Multi Crew Turbine command, or just a straight 2500 hrs command on any type?
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Old 27th Oct 2010, 15:29
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I dont think Cessna 152 or Piper Warrior will count!
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Shell Management,

I would not wish an accident on anyone, but if you believe that pilot experience is the sole criteria in avoiding accidents, I am fearful that you may be disappointed at some point in your career. One could and perhaps should invoke the names of the experienced KLM and Dan-Air Captains who sadly both met their deaths on the island of Tenerife under very different circumstances. In both cases, their experience did not prevent the very different situations which developed on those days three years apart with identical consequences - the loss of all souls aboard the aircraft which they respectively commanded.

All that said, I would say to you that the hours requirements laid down by oil companies are a farce and may actually be detrimental to the overriding objective of safety which you are trying to achieve. I have encountered several captains in my career with, on paper, substantial flying experience who would pass the paper tests set by oil companies, yet I would seriously baulk at setting foot on an aircraft under their command.

Within those paper requirements, an airline flying for an oil company could quite happily go out and secure the services of a contract pilot who has the requisite experience on paper but who has gone from one carrier to the next with an extremely patchy record of LPCs and OPC passes or failures and with no time built up with any particular operator to provide certainty of adherence to (or even knowledge of) that carrier's SOPs. I must stress that this is not a comment directed at Eastern in any way but rather should be seen as a general broadside against the oil industry's ridiculous belief that hours equals safety. It does not.

An airline - and above all, its passengers - may be far better served by a pilot with less hours but who has accumulated those hours with the same airline under control of a quality training programme. I'd far rather be flying with a 25-30 year old captain with 2,500 hours on type with the same airline from the start of his/her career than I would with a 40-year old captain with 5,000 hours built up with ten years at ten different airlines. Your focus should be on quality assurance and training, rather than hours. Anything less than that smacks of complacency, and I offer no apologies for saying that your posting came across to me as riotously complacent.

I sincerely hope - and I genuinely do - that it does not take an accident to shake you from that complacency.

Again, I stress that this is not a posting which is intended or should be read in any way of being critical of Eastern. It is certainly not, for I have no specific knowledge of what they do or the pilots who fly for them. It should purely be taken as being critical of ill-considered requirements imposed by oil companies on airlines. We don't tell Shell or BP how to run an oil rig, yet a key aspect of safety in the airline business - the supply of properly distilled aviation fuel - depends on you. Airlines audit the end product, ensure that the fuel is safe - regardless of how you've done it - and use it. In the same way, you should audit and assure yourselves that operators are safe, but leave them to determine the means of achieving safety through pilot training and quality assurance to deliver your passengers safely to their intended destination.

And by the way, the broadside against BP is, quite frankly, morally reprehensible. I would hope that anyone who is genuinely from Shell management would have sufficient gumption to post here to publicly disown your views as not representing those of the company to which you puport to belong.

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Old 27th Oct 2010, 22:18
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@ shell management

requirement for Scatsta due to its unique challenges
What are the unique challenges you talk of? I guess wx related? Anything else?
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