Ryanair - The initial outlay
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Ryanair - The initial outlay
Hi,
I've recently been offered a place on the said airline's type rating scheme. Basically i know you pay for everything but what exactly is everything and the cost, ie uniform, id, parking, insurance etc....
Maybe someone who has just joined within the last year can shed some light with costs?
Cheers,
Kempus
I've recently been offered a place on the said airline's type rating scheme. Basically i know you pay for everything but what exactly is everything and the cost, ie uniform, id, parking, insurance etc....
Maybe someone who has just joined within the last year can shed some light with costs?
Cheers,
Kempus
This from a buddy who just joined.
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We all already know you pay for everything, therefore £2.40 should not really be an issue? As said, 23k will see you through it, and possibly leave you enough to go to the pool twice
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28,000 Euro for TR. Plus accom in Amsterdam. I paid 450 Euro (per month) for a nice three bed flat about twenty mins from CAE. Plus food etc.
Once you start they will send you anywhere for your line training. Positioning flights are free hotels and food are not. Expect to allow a grand or so for accom & food whilst line training. You'll earn about £600 net pm.
Once line trained Brookfield contract most likely Dub or Stn but some guys do get other bases that they ask for. 55 Euro per rostered block hour.
I've got no real complaints (wait for the abuse). I'd still be instructing for £10 ph on PA-28's if I'd listened to half the stuff I read on here....
Once you start they will send you anywhere for your line training. Positioning flights are free hotels and food are not. Expect to allow a grand or so for accom & food whilst line training. You'll earn about £600 net pm.
Once line trained Brookfield contract most likely Dub or Stn but some guys do get other bases that they ask for. 55 Euro per rostered block hour.
I've got no real complaints (wait for the abuse). I'd still be instructing for £10 ph on PA-28's if I'd listened to half the stuff I read on here....
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Don't forget the leaving fees when you want to leave too guys. All new entry F/Os are emplyed by Brookfield, a so called Pilots agency. You also have to pay a leaving fee/Exit fee of 2500 I am led to belive when you hand in your notice.
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Having read the above no wonder the industry is on its arse. You might as well be in a whorehouse. Oh wait a minute you already are but with a twist you pay to f23k yourselves with a fancy little ego jet to take you're mind of it.
And a nasty little pikey laughing all the way to the bank.
And a nasty little pikey laughing all the way to the bank.
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These are the guys who are causing the deplorable drop in terms and conditions! I suspect that if they were any good the company would pay them to fly and not the other way around. Prostitution is illegal in many countries! 
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Listen guys I totally agree the T&Cs are rubbish but I'd paid £60k+ at the pointfor my licence and I was earning sod all to instruct (which cost me £6200 to get the rating). Nobody else had even given me an interview..
What do you do? I was at the point of going back to my old job and forgetting it.
Re paying to leave. Yes if you leave in the first 12 months.
What do you do? I was at the point of going back to my old job and forgetting it.
Re paying to leave. Yes if you leave in the first 12 months.
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"The new 21st century Cadet is someone who has been a truck driver, plumber, sparky etc and then one day decide they want to be a pilot."
Well I fit into the first part of this comment, but I have always wanted to be an airline pilot and have used hard earned money to pay for training; working two jobs to save money for most of my teen years. The ones not complaining are actually to new boys who have always wanted to fly and are happy with the pay and love the flying.
I'm not having a go but I do think that some people on here need to have respect for us. I have respect for the experienced pilots on here, you guys were my heros when I was young! But it's sad that you actually seem be a moaning bunch. Hope I'm wrong..
No doubt I'll get a mouthful from someone in a minute
Well I fit into the first part of this comment, but I have always wanted to be an airline pilot and have used hard earned money to pay for training; working two jobs to save money for most of my teen years. The ones not complaining are actually to new boys who have always wanted to fly and are happy with the pay and love the flying.
I'm not having a go but I do think that some people on here need to have respect for us. I have respect for the experienced pilots on here, you guys were my heros when I was young! But it's sad that you actually seem be a moaning bunch. Hope I'm wrong..
No doubt I'll get a mouthful from someone in a minute
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Times have changed and it was long before I joined FR, yes it would be great if we could step back to days gone by, be nice if I could leave my front door unlocked too, but it's not going to happen.
I don't like the way the industry has turned but it's happened...
I don't like the way the industry has turned but it's happened...
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The proliferation of self-funded TRs is damaging pilots' Ts and Cs - anyone who cannot/will not accept that is myopic/delusional to be brutally honest - and to be fair it's a brutal dog eat dog profession, particularly at the outset, when you are doing literally everything in your power to get that all important first commercial job. I know, I was in that position - happily I didn't pay for a TR - I couldn't have afforded one anyway.
It's easy once you are on the inside of the tent p*****g out (rather than the reverse - L B Johnson) to become sanctimonious, judgemental and scornful of the lengths to which some people will go to ' follow the dream ' !!
On the other hand, wannabees who fail to accept that their actions are contributing directly to the erosion of pilots' Ts & Cs are even more annoying.
It's easy once you are on the inside of the tent p*****g out (rather than the reverse - L B Johnson) to become sanctimonious, judgemental and scornful of the lengths to which some people will go to ' follow the dream ' !!
On the other hand, wannabees who fail to accept that their actions are contributing directly to the erosion of pilots' Ts & Cs are even more annoying.
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Only you (through BALPA/IALPA) can fix this mess
Don't paying for type ratings. You're f*cking up the industry, ya da ya da ya da.....Who's to blame for this mess???
It's you foolish fully fledged pilots yourself and not the cadets!
Think about it, the cadet, being as uninitiated as a space bound rat is destined to get abused along the way to him achieving his/her dream. You smart arsed Captains and Senior FO's clap-trap on about how cadets should'nt be paying for this and that but you seldom realise only your actions and threats can do anything about it. Since YOU are the on-line workforce, the unions work for YOU.
Let me give you an example of how this abuse is controlled within the railway industry. There's no shortage of people wanting to train as train drivers either. It costs well over £30k to train an intercity high speed train driver, but you don't see firms offering train type ratings and line training joy rides with the promise of some kind job offer. Why? because the industry is regulated and the unions, upon learning about any such notion, would cripple this country.
Home come BALPA and it's members havn't got the same balls?
It's you foolish fully fledged pilots yourself and not the cadets!
Think about it, the cadet, being as uninitiated as a space bound rat is destined to get abused along the way to him achieving his/her dream. You smart arsed Captains and Senior FO's clap-trap on about how cadets should'nt be paying for this and that but you seldom realise only your actions and threats can do anything about it. Since YOU are the on-line workforce, the unions work for YOU.
Let me give you an example of how this abuse is controlled within the railway industry. There's no shortage of people wanting to train as train drivers either. It costs well over £30k to train an intercity high speed train driver, but you don't see firms offering train type ratings and line training joy rides with the promise of some kind job offer. Why? because the industry is regulated and the unions, upon learning about any such notion, would cripple this country.
Home come BALPA and it's members havn't got the same balls?