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BA and BALPA already agreed on EU 757 Pilots

Old 13th Dec 2007, 13:13
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Old 19th Dec 2007, 08:37
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Hi guys and girls

Re-opening this thread as I have an interview on the horizon. Anyone been to the selection day? interview, group work im led to believe....any info would be greatly received
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Old 19th Dec 2007, 08:39
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Hi guys and girls
Re-opening this thread as I have an interview on the horizon. Anyone been to the selection day? interview, group work im led to believe....any info would be greatly received
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Old 19th Dec 2007, 18:25
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Capt D, I thought all recruitment was on hold at the moment until they sorted out things with balpa and mainline guys .. when is your day??
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 08:56
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Went to the interview in november.
First 30min group exercise, then almost one hour personal interview, similar questions as I found here on PPRuNe in the 'British Airways DEP selection, the lowdown' topic.
Then 30min Q&A where YOU can ask questions.
For me only BRU or AMS an option. Let me know if they still think about BRU as a possible base.

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Old 21st Dec 2007, 14:08
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BA may continue the recruitment process. However, they cannot offer a contract until the issue of Lauren pilots joining the mailine seniority list is sorted. (one way or the other.....)
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 16:14
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....the issue of Lauren pilots joining the mailine seniority list is sorted. (one way or the other.....)
There is only one way it will be sorted
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 07:41
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Three times I received a phone call from one of the lady secretaries...

Two times I received a date for an interview....

Two times this date got cancelled the day before!!!

Only once I recivedan email from an actual management pilot, explaining that I had been selected but that me ( and about 10 others in CC) where on hold UFN...

Not very professional I would say, and so far a big dissapointment.

It seems to me the whole idea was not very well thought of.

Lets see what happens next
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 15:35
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Cool Lauren

x3 phone calls to attend interview in BRU-unable as I was on a trip.

I called back to advise of this-told to email to express continued interest-did this.No reply.

Group email 2 weeks ago "lots of interest,please bear with us etc etc" from Capt J.

Rejection letter this week.

So-given an interview,cant attend then rejected based on what if I did not go to the interview?

Disorganised and thoroughly unprofessional by Capt J & Co.

Had expected better from BA.

Good luck to the rest of you-

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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 21:00
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Had expected better from BA.
As far as pilotage is concerned, Project Lauren is NOT BA! (Neither is BA European) If it weren't for BALPA, it NEVER would be! (It's ok. No thanks are required!)

If it's BA that you want, I believe they are recruiting.
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 21:32
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This one is running and running. In the last few weeks have heard;

1: Its all off. BA nixed the whole thing due uncertain economic outlook.

2: No its not. Still recruiting.

3: Some have been offered contract, handed in notice. Then see 1 above. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

4: Someones mate in BA whats on the 75/76 says its all off. (wishful thinking?)

5: Still interviewing.

6: This will be another GSS so you DEP types can all f*** off type scenario.

7: More interviews and sim planned for new year.

I should imagine that if there is any danger that this will end up with the externally recruited pilots being royally screwed by the BA CC, then the type of people they want to get it all up and running will be running backwards at a velocity exceeding mach 1. No doubt the BA cc will attempt to plant this seed of doubt so that it all ends in tears and mainline pilots will be used. That said, are the BA guys really going to strike over this? That may be exactly what the managers want in order to force new contracts on everyone. I know our lot would do exactly that if they had the chance.

As one who quite fancied the look of this I shall follow the progress with interest. Any further info from the hallowed halls of BA would be gratefully received. And no gents, I have no wish to deprive anyone of their rightful command, having been put back until about 10 years after I retire myself due general stagnation. I know exactly how it feels. However you cannot blame people for trying to get on.

Just out of interest, whats the time to command at BA mainline these days? would it be worth applying if over 45?


Happy xmas to all

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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 23:55
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"That said, are the BA guys really going to strike over this?"

We are looking ahead at what's hiding over the horizon.
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 07:57
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This from Airliners.net - Jetstar And Consequences To Qantas, thread

"It is no accident that Jetstar are receiving 787s before Qantas. The reason for this is to establish a 787 crew and operations at Jetstar prices. Meaning that if QF staff didn't toe the line, or if for example, the government got in the way, QF could simply get jetstar to operate services on its behalf. Both Jetstar branded, and Qantas branded, full service 2 or 3 class service. So QF gets what it wants either way. "

This is what's over the horizon. Every "expansion" hull on order for mainline would go to BEA. So command time would constantly increase with constant downward T&C pressure. BA makes a healthy profit off the back of squeezing labour. Fuel prices will carry on up, Peak Oil ?

A common seniority list shares common goals. There is no way BA will back down so the ball is firmly in the pilots half.
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 10:46
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They are going to have to sort this issue out sharpish if they expect to start flying in May, given that most people are on 3 months notice. No one is going to chuck in an existing position whilst this is hanging over the whole thing. If it drags on and people do start and are then displaced by mainline F/O's the possibilities for m'learned friends are almost endless.

The old established firm of Sue Grabbitt and Runne herafter known as "the grasping bastards" have formally extended their willinness to take instructions from anyone who feels they have, have had or are yet to have a right royal rogering from Ms BA Lauren or Mr B.Alpa, hereafter known as the "Guilty parties".

This is getting to be better than Dallas.
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 11:12
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I'm sorry it may be all so inconvenient to many people that mainline pilots will not just shut up so that they can join BEA, but we would rather like to protect our and our families future security thank you very much.
No mainline FO will be interested in PL, so "newbies and wet behind the ears" have nothing to worry about. I very much doubt any, bar a tiny handfull, of mainline FO's would have any interest in a command ar PL either.
The argument is about ensuring PL pilots JOIN THE MAINLINE SENIORITY LIST, thereby opening up the whole of BA's fleets and ensuring decent T's and C's for all.
Nothing will happen until the New Year as we are in suspended standing conference. (last step before ballot).
We are not stupid. We will not vote for Chrismas (topical eh!). BA has 98% Balpa membership. The ball is most firmly in one half of the court and it's not the Pilots.
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 13:26
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Cool

Superstall,
I entirely take your point about protecting T & C's, I've been there myself, however I must take issue with the idea that no mainline pilots would take commands at this new outfit if they were offered. The precedent is of course the scenario at GSS, which aslo offered inferior T & C's than mainline but quite a few pilots went over so as to gain the LHS. Great for them but not so good for the poor saps who joined from outside and subsequently found that there was no chance for them. I know because quite a few have since joined my outfit.
The same thing also happened at what used to be BACON I understand.
If BA mainline pilots get the chance to obtain command at PL or whatever it is eventually called then good on you, I'd do the same, the argument is not and should not be between pilots, it is however incumbent upon the managers to ensure that this is completely cleared up in a watertight fashion before any offers are made to DEP's.
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 14:33
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Interesting post.

As for GSS and BACON, they are fundamentally different to PL. The resolution also needs to be fundamentally different. As far as BA BALPA is concerned, all pilots flying for PL must be on the Master Seniority List.

Period.

(An offer of secondments has already been made by BA. It was declined by balpa.)

This will of course mean that current mainline pilots will be entitled to bid for positions in PL (although the scheduling, and T&Cs are unattractive) It also means that PL pilots will eventually have the right to bid onto mainline fleets should they desire.

What can possibly be bad for pilots about this?

Unfortunately, anyone seeking employment with PL should be aware that there is 'turbulence' forecast in the immediate future! Things could get rather unpleasant.

Wish BA BALPA luck. It is planned to benefit EVERYONE!
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 16:59
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I understand what you are saying, but If the PL pilots join the BA seniority list, then they will be both at the bottom of a very long list for command and also on inferior terms. Whats the point of that? might as well join BA mainline and start off in the same position but on better money and conditions in the first place. In that case, PL may as well be staffed from mainline from the get go and save all the hassle of a separate selection process. The only reason that someone like myself would join PL is the premise that it is a new and totally separate airline which would offer the chance to get on a bit quicker than is available at present. Any connection with BA would be incidental and well above my pay grade.

If I wanted to join BA mainline then I would fill in the application for BA mainline and accept the fact that I would be an FO for however long it takes. At my age, that would probably be a waste of time. PL obviously want experienced bods to get the whole thing up and running. They have plenty of those in mainline so why bother recruiting from outside unless it is just a stick to beat the mainline pilots with? Most people in my situation are well aware of this and would not touch it unless this issue was totally settled and the outfit was to be separated from the BA mainline operation as originally advertised. I'm in BALPA too and have no wish to shaft anyone.

The PL airline would eventually have its own CC which would negotiate for the T/C's of pilots employed by PL and presumably its own AOC in the fullness of time. If BA are setting it up then the BA AOC would presumably be needed for things like ETOPS in the first couple of years.

Tricky one isn't it?
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 19:33
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There are entrenched positions here, and it appears that gambling is the order of the day.

For anyone handing in their notice to accept positions in PL. Best of luck!
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