Monarch T & C's
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There are still jet pilots out there in the UK that are worse off than Monarch so for some people it is still worth joining. These selection of airlines that don't have as good T+C's as Monarch is rapidly reducing though. Does Monarch really want to put themselves at the bottom of the list?
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The current management have presided over taking Monarch from nearly the top of the tree, where no one left because of pay / T's and C's to nearly the bottom of the market where very few F/o's stick around and rightly so, if you are on the airbus with Monarch you may as well go orange and get paid a darn site more.
The current (and brand new CEO out to show his boss how good he is) feels that staff moral and satisfaction are high from a few pleasantries being exchanged in the crew room, and that people are prepared to go that extra mile for the good of the company.
The company is operating on goodwill.
He is wrong.
The current (and brand new CEO out to show his boss how good he is) feels that staff moral and satisfaction are high from a few pleasantries being exchanged in the crew room, and that people are prepared to go that extra mile for the good of the company.
The company is operating on goodwill.
He is wrong.
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I'd be interested to hear what MON pilots think of the latest rejection on the company's part to begin negotiations based on the payclaim submitted.
Personally I urge the CC to ballot for strike action immeidately.
Personally I urge the CC to ballot for strike action immeidately.
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Sphinx - I think that the rejection was always going to happen the company would never roll over that quick at the first meeting.
I was not there but did the company not offer a proposal to what they thought would be a suitable payrise and better T&C's, and if they didnt offer anything did the CC not ask for their thought before leaving the meeting?? By all accounts the meeting was all over by 5 mins.
I was not there but did the company not offer a proposal to what they thought would be a suitable payrise and better T&C's, and if they didnt offer anything did the CC not ask for their thought before leaving the meeting?? By all accounts the meeting was all over by 5 mins.
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Just to add, as a year 2 FO, I take home 2600-2700. That is including all flight pay and NO contributions to the pension that is rubbish. If you want to see how this compares with other airlines, see http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=271434
There are no perks other than AXA medical cover, free uniform and allegedly staff travel. I've just booked my summer hols, and I get 85% discount on the ticket, the rest of the family 55%. The price they use is not the quoted internet price, but some other internal one. By the time they added apt, fuel surcharge (oh yes) etc, it worked out the same price as a BA ticket. Needless to say that is what I booked! Oh yes, you do get a free meal as 'staff'.
This years pay negotiations. PB, TJ and RS you have soo misjudged the feeling on the ground. That is two meetings that management have attended and would not even discuss the proposed pay deal, meeting closed after 5 minutes. Let me tell you that this co is heading for a serious industrial confrontation fairly quickly if this attitude continues. All it has done is to harden feelings among the troops, increase the BALPA membership, and in several cases mine included dusting down CV's. Gentlemen, have so misread the whole feeling on the ground.
MON used to be one of the TOP companies to work for. Still is in terms of most of the people I work with, however T&C's have been going down the proverbial 3 degree slope since RS took over, and have recently gone down the London City slope. It's not that long ago that resignations where unheard of, not now. The tally this year runs between 11 and 30 depending on your source, but either way I would not be surprised if that number increases steadily over the next few months. We gentlemen, are in danger of becoming (if not already) a training ground for VS, BA, EJ etc. rather than a career airline. RS, if you think that there is no cost to this, I beg to differ.
Good luck to the CC, you have my continuing support and that goes for everyone I have spoken to.
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There are no perks other than AXA medical cover, free uniform and allegedly staff travel. I've just booked my summer hols, and I get 85% discount on the ticket, the rest of the family 55%. The price they use is not the quoted internet price, but some other internal one. By the time they added apt, fuel surcharge (oh yes) etc, it worked out the same price as a BA ticket. Needless to say that is what I booked! Oh yes, you do get a free meal as 'staff'.
This years pay negotiations. PB, TJ and RS you have soo misjudged the feeling on the ground. That is two meetings that management have attended and would not even discuss the proposed pay deal, meeting closed after 5 minutes. Let me tell you that this co is heading for a serious industrial confrontation fairly quickly if this attitude continues. All it has done is to harden feelings among the troops, increase the BALPA membership, and in several cases mine included dusting down CV's. Gentlemen, have so misread the whole feeling on the ground.
MON used to be one of the TOP companies to work for. Still is in terms of most of the people I work with, however T&C's have been going down the proverbial 3 degree slope since RS took over, and have recently gone down the London City slope. It's not that long ago that resignations where unheard of, not now. The tally this year runs between 11 and 30 depending on your source, but either way I would not be surprised if that number increases steadily over the next few months. We gentlemen, are in danger of becoming (if not already) a training ground for VS, BA, EJ etc. rather than a career airline. RS, if you think that there is no cost to this, I beg to differ.
Good luck to the CC, you have my continuing support and that goes for everyone I have spoken to.
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BA is spooling up hiring again for the training year. Latest we hear is 100 plus this year and with more 777's arriving late next year it is likely to continue.
If you want a considerable raise, better pension and roster stability that is second to none then give it a go. The rest of the perks are nice as well.
Monarch was a good employer to me and the people were great to work with but we all need to look after number one. If they are silly enough to think they can continue their ways on T's and C's then they appear to be fooling themselves. My big problem was the fact that the management did not seemed bothered that retirement was going to be bleak for the newbies.
Rumours around that certain certain foreign operators (LHR bases) are offerring skippers big dough on the 330/340. Any chance some of the trainers and senior chaps could be lured away?
If you want a considerable raise, better pension and roster stability that is second to none then give it a go. The rest of the perks are nice as well.
Monarch was a good employer to me and the people were great to work with but we all need to look after number one. If they are silly enough to think they can continue their ways on T's and C's then they appear to be fooling themselves. My big problem was the fact that the management did not seemed bothered that retirement was going to be bleak for the newbies.
Rumours around that certain certain foreign operators (LHR bases) are offerring skippers big dough on the 330/340. Any chance some of the trainers and senior chaps could be lured away?
Rumours around that certain certain foreign operators (LHR bases) are offerring skippers big dough on the 330/340. Any chance some of the trainers and senior chaps could be lured away?
Goodluck CC and my soon to be ex workmates, I've had enough and have voted with my feet.
Sorry Tubby, I wont share that in a public forum until I'm out of my 6 month probationary period
in case I make a muppet of myself, or more than usual that is! I can say however that neither Easy or Birdseed have the priviledge of my services, but it is a UK carrier with a rather colourful and charasmatic gentleman at its head
in case I make a muppet of myself, or more than usual that is! I can say however that neither Easy or Birdseed have the priviledge of my services, but it is a UK carrier with a rather colourful and charasmatic gentleman at its head
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Well done MM!!!
Best of luck - I think RS,TJ and PB could learn a whole lot from your new boss! Shame you are leaving at such an interesting time though!! One can only hope that if management continue to bury their heads in the sand...that they suffocate...
Best of luck - I think RS,TJ and PB could learn a whole lot from your new boss! Shame you are leaving at such an interesting time though!! One can only hope that if management continue to bury their heads in the sand...that they suffocate...
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Just read polar stereos link to airline take home. £4000 for a year one BA F/O??? Thats more than a jnr Monarch Capt makes.
But what really made me want to be sick is £3000 pm for an F/O at Jet 2! Ah noooo no no no, I'm crying, I am the one that has had my head in the sand!
It's been fun and what a fantastic bunch of people but unless managment pull something quite spectacular out of the bag (which I doubt) it will be time to go else where.
Thanks PS for illuminating the quite incredible differential.
But what really made me want to be sick is £3000 pm for an F/O at Jet 2! Ah noooo no no no, I'm crying, I am the one that has had my head in the sand!
It's been fun and what a fantastic bunch of people but unless managment pull something quite spectacular out of the bag (which I doubt) it will be time to go else where.
Thanks PS for illuminating the quite incredible differential.
Last edited by Arrestahook; 13th Apr 2007 at 12:05.