Monarch T & C's
reliably informed? Anybody who's in a position to know that is hardly likely to say anything else are they?
We'll know times are hard when Peter and Tim start driving 1.8 Mondeo's.
We'll know times are hard when Peter and Tim start driving 1.8 Mondeo's.
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Whiskey Zulu your talkin (or been told) poop i think.
If we're in such a bad way why are we ordering a billion odd quids worth of 787s and adding 2-3 A321s a year.
I'm sorry but when times are tough airlines dont expand, they downsize or stand firm to ride the storm. Doesn't anyone remember post 2001?
And from i've been told VS pilots we're told the same garbage before they got they're yummy pay deal and when the company went public the books opened up and they not only saw the company we're BS'in about tough times but were making more money then the pilot body/BALPA expected....
So to sum up, i'm pretty certain your mortgage will be safe unless you taxi into a palm tree.
I hope nobody is stupid or more accurately NIAVE enough to vote YES on this deal because the company claims we're experiencing tough times..... when they cancel their billion dollar order with boeing, then i'll believe
If we're in such a bad way why are we ordering a billion odd quids worth of 787s and adding 2-3 A321s a year.
I'm sorry but when times are tough airlines dont expand, they downsize or stand firm to ride the storm. Doesn't anyone remember post 2001?
And from i've been told VS pilots we're told the same garbage before they got they're yummy pay deal and when the company went public the books opened up and they not only saw the company we're BS'in about tough times but were making more money then the pilot body/BALPA expected....
So to sum up, i'm pretty certain your mortgage will be safe unless you taxi into a palm tree.
I hope nobody is stupid or more accurately NIAVE enough to vote YES on this deal because the company claims we're experiencing tough times..... when they cancel their billion dollar order with boeing, then i'll believe
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Spud its not called a peak week/season if its not a big earner......
I think your flight will be safe for the moment - mid july is when we expect the result for the latest pay 'offer' that we are all currently voting on.
I think your flight will be safe for the moment - mid july is when we expect the result for the latest pay 'offer' that we are all currently voting on.
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Not concerned about the flights. More concerned that carriers can't sell seats for £30 in July and expand and be profitable.
Call me old fashioned, but when ZB was smaller and offered a better product (scoff, drinks etc.) it was on to a good thing. Now, the goal of piling ever higher and selling ever cheaper might be coming to the end of the line. The LCC model will be around for the long run but the days of boundless LCC expansion and cut throat competition might just be running out of steam.
I'd be happy to be wrong, I like being able to buy seats for the price of a curry.
Call me old fashioned, but when ZB was smaller and offered a better product (scoff, drinks etc.) it was on to a good thing. Now, the goal of piling ever higher and selling ever cheaper might be coming to the end of the line. The LCC model will be around for the long run but the days of boundless LCC expansion and cut throat competition might just be running out of steam.
I'd be happy to be wrong, I like being able to buy seats for the price of a curry.
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In some repspects I feel a little sorry for TJ.
This is a man, as far as I can see, who has a certain amount of vision and pro-active ideas. Whether they will eventually turn the company into Ryanair 2 will yet to be seen. For our, as well as his sake, I hope that will not be the case!
However, I can't help feel that the complete and utter mess we find ourselves in at the moment boils down to one man and one man alone. You simply CAN NOT expand an airline by 1/3rd in such a short space of time by the amount of aircrew and aircraft and not expand the infrastructure down at the head shed at all. It is not rocket-science - It simply DOES NOT WORK.
Not only is investment needed in crew and aircraft, BUT ALSO things that make the airline work as it should. By that I mean, efficient rostering software with sufficient crewing staff to oversee it. It has long been said, and long been ignored, that employing ONE person to oversee taxi allocation and putting people in the right place, would save the company not only this persons' salary, but a small fortune besides. The excuse that it is not required is the worst case of burying your head in the sand that I can think of. Sometimes it takes a bigger man to stand up and say that someone elses ideas are better than theirs and actaully do something about it. Time to swallow some pride. Time for TJ to take a grip on his management staff.
The absence of anyone heading the airline's training department is an absolute disgrace and is something that has gone on far too long and has only been sustainable due to the fine work of the one and only person who administers the training department and it's trainers. If she was ever to leave, we would be up the creek without a paddle faster than you could so, "zero cost option".
Personally, I feel TJ has been woefully let down by his Ops director who has completely mis-read the feeling of not just the pilot community, but the vast majority of the airlines' staff.
...I guess this is what happens when you have management promoted from backgrounds with no management experience.
Believe me - it shows!
The sooner we start seeing some leadership which is prepared to invest in all of our futures, the better. If not, I truly worry for all of our futures.
This is a man, as far as I can see, who has a certain amount of vision and pro-active ideas. Whether they will eventually turn the company into Ryanair 2 will yet to be seen. For our, as well as his sake, I hope that will not be the case!
However, I can't help feel that the complete and utter mess we find ourselves in at the moment boils down to one man and one man alone. You simply CAN NOT expand an airline by 1/3rd in such a short space of time by the amount of aircrew and aircraft and not expand the infrastructure down at the head shed at all. It is not rocket-science - It simply DOES NOT WORK.
Not only is investment needed in crew and aircraft, BUT ALSO things that make the airline work as it should. By that I mean, efficient rostering software with sufficient crewing staff to oversee it. It has long been said, and long been ignored, that employing ONE person to oversee taxi allocation and putting people in the right place, would save the company not only this persons' salary, but a small fortune besides. The excuse that it is not required is the worst case of burying your head in the sand that I can think of. Sometimes it takes a bigger man to stand up and say that someone elses ideas are better than theirs and actaully do something about it. Time to swallow some pride. Time for TJ to take a grip on his management staff.
The absence of anyone heading the airline's training department is an absolute disgrace and is something that has gone on far too long and has only been sustainable due to the fine work of the one and only person who administers the training department and it's trainers. If she was ever to leave, we would be up the creek without a paddle faster than you could so, "zero cost option".
Personally, I feel TJ has been woefully let down by his Ops director who has completely mis-read the feeling of not just the pilot community, but the vast majority of the airlines' staff.
...I guess this is what happens when you have management promoted from backgrounds with no management experience.
Believe me - it shows!
The sooner we start seeing some leadership which is prepared to invest in all of our futures, the better. If not, I truly worry for all of our futures.
TM&S.Your post only scratches the surface of what Monarch is really all about.
The airline has always been very conservative and reluctant to modernise.If you parked a Britannia outside a portakabin at Luton airport there are many in the office who would not notice the difference.
We are no longer a charter airline but have the infrastructure of one plus the management ethos.The charter product never got above the bucket and spade level and we now lag behind many of the more farsighted companies.
Our differing and aging fleets would put a Luton taxi business to shame.
These intrinsic flaws have never seemed to matter as long as we were a billionaires accountancy vehicle.
Trying to make sense of all this is our new leader.He wants us to be Ryanair mk2.Fighting against the current management is probably going to be harder for him than fighting his pilots.
We are forty years old next year and it is time that a number of the deadwood is swept away.Get rid of their outdated attitudes,adequately reward your staff and your dreams will come true TJ.
A workforce that feels well rewarded and not threatened will do more for you than a demoralised one that is constantly messed around by unnecessary roster changes.
The airline has always been very conservative and reluctant to modernise.If you parked a Britannia outside a portakabin at Luton airport there are many in the office who would not notice the difference.
We are no longer a charter airline but have the infrastructure of one plus the management ethos.The charter product never got above the bucket and spade level and we now lag behind many of the more farsighted companies.
Our differing and aging fleets would put a Luton taxi business to shame.
These intrinsic flaws have never seemed to matter as long as we were a billionaires accountancy vehicle.
Trying to make sense of all this is our new leader.He wants us to be Ryanair mk2.Fighting against the current management is probably going to be harder for him than fighting his pilots.
We are forty years old next year and it is time that a number of the deadwood is swept away.Get rid of their outdated attitudes,adequately reward your staff and your dreams will come true TJ.
A workforce that feels well rewarded and not threatened will do more for you than a demoralised one that is constantly messed around by unnecessary roster changes.
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I don't feel in the least bit sorry for Tim Jeans, he might be bright and very dynamic but he is a one trick pony. His Ryan Air low cost model he is applying to each airline that employs him and look where MyTravel Light are now!
Ignoring the few things Monarch does well to drag us into competition with the super low costs has done nothing but reduce the airlines margins, spread it thinner and unfortunatley make it very comparable how poorely paid and rostered we are in comparison to their pilots.
Ignoring the few things Monarch does well to drag us into competition with the super low costs has done nothing but reduce the airlines margins, spread it thinner and unfortunatley make it very comparable how poorely paid and rostered we are in comparison to their pilots.
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Well as expected latest pay offer rejected by a substantial majority. PB & TJ will have to remove their attack on our t & c and up from zero cost what the company are offering. At least it's getting the Directors and management out to the crewrooms, just a shame it's not over the weekends and early or late when most of us pass through the crewrooms.