Flybe to aquire BA Connect. Crew thread. (No Spotters)-(Part 2)
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Hi Fleetmanager,
You make some valid points and it's true pilots couldn't make a unified stand to save their lives. However, could it not be that the cabin crew are more positive because (certainly at my base) they will get either the same base or (by choice) a base better suited to them and a payrise of several thousand pounds.
That seems to me like a better prospect than most pilots going across have.
Regardless of wether you think the type of engines your aircraft has matters ( I don't, lets make that clear) , careerwise going onto a turboprop is a step back as there are quite a few companies out there who prefer jet time.
Anyway, i won't say too much on here , but i don't think we are all as bad you think we are.
Cheerio,
ST
You make some valid points and it's true pilots couldn't make a unified stand to save their lives. However, could it not be that the cabin crew are more positive because (certainly at my base) they will get either the same base or (by choice) a base better suited to them and a payrise of several thousand pounds.
That seems to me like a better prospect than most pilots going across have.
Regardless of wether you think the type of engines your aircraft has matters ( I don't, lets make that clear) , careerwise going onto a turboprop is a step back as there are quite a few companies out there who prefer jet time.
Anyway, i won't say too much on here , but i don't think we are all as bad you think we are.
Cheerio,
ST
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The Fleet Manager?
I can not believe the arrogance of this this guy, if indeed he really is a Fleet Manager???
He certainly ain't a Flybe one, as neither BH or IC have 767 or "Pointy Jet" experience if your assertions are to be believed.
I have no reason to believe that either of these two guys are standing down to let you in.
Also, please confirm which Current "pointy Jet" you are blithering on about? Fighters or Bombers? Current Nato or ex Warsaw Pact? What nationality are you anyway?
"I walk in through a door in the side instead of climbing in a hole in the top!"
Certainly not any current UK pointy types, as they either have canopies, that slide back, hinge back or hinge sideways, no hole in the top there I'm afraid.
"however I am heartily glad I have nothing to do with either of your Companies if you are representative of the average pilot."
If you really are a Fleet Manager then you should know that there is ALWAYS a comma after " however" in the context that you have chosen to use it.
And then,
"I look forward to assessing you during the interview and the sim."
If you have "nothing to do with either of our companies", how on earth are you going to be involved with recruitment/interviews/sim assessments etc?
As I am not aware of any independant/outsourcing for any of our recruitment needs.
Also, I am not aware that any of our fleet mangers get involved with such activities, as these are entrusted to our very capable training team thank you very much!
Sorry mate but my assessment of you, is a FRAUD.
The same applies to Moderator but I can't be arsed to go and dig up all the holes he has made for himself.
I can not believe the arrogance of this this guy, if indeed he really is a Fleet Manager???
He certainly ain't a Flybe one, as neither BH or IC have 767 or "Pointy Jet" experience if your assertions are to be believed.
I have no reason to believe that either of these two guys are standing down to let you in.Also, please confirm which Current "pointy Jet" you are blithering on about? Fighters or Bombers? Current Nato or ex Warsaw Pact? What nationality are you anyway?
"I walk in through a door in the side instead of climbing in a hole in the top!"
Certainly not any current UK pointy types, as they either have canopies, that slide back, hinge back or hinge sideways, no hole in the top there I'm afraid.
"however I am heartily glad I have nothing to do with either of your Companies if you are representative of the average pilot."
If you really are a Fleet Manager then you should know that there is ALWAYS a comma after " however" in the context that you have chosen to use it.
And then,
"I look forward to assessing you during the interview and the sim."
If you have "nothing to do with either of our companies", how on earth are you going to be involved with recruitment/interviews/sim assessments etc?
As I am not aware of any independant/outsourcing for any of our recruitment needs.
Also, I am not aware that any of our fleet mangers get involved with such activities, as these are entrusted to our very capable training team thank you very much!
Sorry mate but my assessment of you, is a FRAUD.
The same applies to Moderator but I can't be arsed to go and dig up all the holes he has made for himself.
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Smokie, don't give him/her the airtime they crave. The content of the postings so far has been so technically incorrect so they're as much a fleet manager as I'm 12 stone.
The deal appears to be done, so it looks like we can all move on and make this thing work - at last !.
The deal appears to be done, so it looks like we can all move on and make this thing work - at last !.
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If you really are a Fleet Manager then you should know that there is ALWAYS an apostrophe after " however" in the context that you have chosen to use it.
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Mr Fleet manager may indeed be who he says, but please remember, this doesn't necessarily mean he's from either of our companies. From what I gather, he's a neutral observer, just asking and making a vailid point from the other side of the fence. Basically just a manager who's read all of our posts and is wondering why we seem such a vitriolic and grumpy bunch.
I PM'd him a little history to clarify a few things from our side so perhaps wondering who he might be is sidetracking things somewhat.
Anyway if the latest "rumour" is true. Yippee! finally an end to all the worrying about the future. Now I can start worrying about the future instead!
I PM'd him a little history to clarify a few things from our side so perhaps wondering who he might be is sidetracking things somewhat.
Anyway if the latest "rumour" is true. Yippee! finally an end to all the worrying about the future. Now I can start worrying about the future instead!
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aee190,
You are absolutely correct, my mistake.
I have edited the post accordingly.
Anotherflapoperator,
Then how come he is going to be interviewing or conducting Sim rides as he alleges?
You are absolutely correct, my mistake.
I have edited the post accordingly.
Anotherflapoperator,
Then how come he is going to be interviewing or conducting Sim rides as he alleges?
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Notice to Crew No. 5
Remarkable.
Such inapposite reaction.
I am nothing whatever to do with any part of your Companies, or perhaps that should now read "Company". Congratulations, perhaps now your deal is finalised you will all cheer up a little, and stop criticising every target in town.
Me - I mentioned that I previously climbed into my F3 through a hole (canopy) in the top, however(comma) the 757 and 767 both have a most serviceable door! I mentioned sim assesments because, were we recruiting, I would perhaps be present both at the interview and the sim assessment - not always, about 30% of the time on present policy.
Seriously, I cannot believe that you really believe that the type of posts you all seem to excel in do anything to enhance either your personal or your corporate credibility. What on earth the travelling public and journalists who read this forum must think I cannot imagine. You are not entitled to a job by divine right you know, and having acquired one, there is neither a divine right to keep it, nor to keep it at any sort of guaranteed Terms and Conditions (other than TUPE and basic employment law of course). Fundamentally, if so many of you are still unhappy, why not seek employment elsewhere like so many of your colleagues. I note that they who have allegedly left do not seem to feel the need to d@mn and bl@st everyone who disagrees with them
Ah well, as I say, best of luck for the future, DO try and act in a slightly more adult fashion now you are one Company again - you really don't come over very well you know.
I'm rather glad we don't use your operation for positioning crew!
Such inapposite reaction.
I am nothing whatever to do with any part of your Companies, or perhaps that should now read "Company". Congratulations, perhaps now your deal is finalised you will all cheer up a little, and stop criticising every target in town.
Me - I mentioned that I previously climbed into my F3 through a hole (canopy) in the top, however(comma) the 757 and 767 both have a most serviceable door! I mentioned sim assesments because, were we recruiting, I would perhaps be present both at the interview and the sim assessment - not always, about 30% of the time on present policy.
Seriously, I cannot believe that you really believe that the type of posts you all seem to excel in do anything to enhance either your personal or your corporate credibility. What on earth the travelling public and journalists who read this forum must think I cannot imagine. You are not entitled to a job by divine right you know, and having acquired one, there is neither a divine right to keep it, nor to keep it at any sort of guaranteed Terms and Conditions (other than TUPE and basic employment law of course). Fundamentally, if so many of you are still unhappy, why not seek employment elsewhere like so many of your colleagues. I note that they who have allegedly left do not seem to feel the need to d@mn and bl@st everyone who disagrees with them
Ah well, as I say, best of luck for the future, DO try and act in a slightly more adult fashion now you are one Company again - you really don't come over very well you know.
I'm rather glad we don't use your operation for positioning crew!
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FLEET MANAGER..or whoever you are .......certainly not a pilot past or present.......you come across as a complete tosser ! utter drivvle spouted on your post.i suggest you retreat to the stone from under which you have crawled...and don't forget you start at 1pm tomorrow at McDonalds,not at he counter,swinging your rancid mop !!
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As an LHR BA person who was 'TUPED' some years ago and came back to BA, i cannot disagree with Fleet manager. He is telling us all as it is. My colleagues here and at LGW just see your job loss as a chance for them to survive a bit longer. That was exactly the attitude displayed in my own case and some other 400 plus staff in the 80;s and many thousands since. I have a number of friends in your situation and I can assure you I understand yhe strength of feeling but at waterworld it counts for nothing. One of the similar threads refering to ground staff at Man suggests they all pove to BA how efficient they are and maybe thus save theirs jobs. It will not happen the deal is done and Waterside will pay big monies to get rid of Connect and ground ops staff at the regions.
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Bermuda Triangle - your personal opinion of me is completely irrelevant, however I note with interest your reaction on reading both my previous notice, and the historically accurate data listed by HZ123.
It is really pointless (and unhealthy) reacting with such fury; I sincerely hope your attitude is not representative of your piloting - it would not bode well for either CRM or your flight if you are unable to accept facts you do not like.
I regret it if you genuinely feel I come across as a
or if you think that I somehow
However, I think if you were to use some of the analytical skills that presumably you must possess (otherwise I feel you would have fallen short of the CRM requirement in your LPC/OPC) you might find that I am actually congratulating you all on your lack of problems. The deal is done, and presumably you all now have a future again instead of (as I understand it) being part of a bankrupt Company approaching the Receiver.
Look up, the sky is blue and there will be a paypacket at the end of the month. You have an aircraft to fly, presumably at your existing base - what more could you realistically want. I have exchanged an email with one of your colleagues, hence I am confident there is at least one logical and levelheaded pilot amongst you - perhaps you could learn from him.
It is really pointless (and unhealthy) reacting with such fury; I sincerely hope your attitude is not representative of your piloting - it would not bode well for either CRM or your flight if you are unable to accept facts you do not like.
I regret it if you genuinely feel I come across as a
complete tosser !
utter drivvle spouted on your post
Look up, the sky is blue and there will be a paypacket at the end of the month. You have an aircraft to fly, presumably at your existing base - what more could you realistically want. I have exchanged an email with one of your colleagues, hence I am confident there is at least one logical and levelheaded pilot amongst you - perhaps you could learn from him.
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TFM,
If there was a "hole" in your canopy then it is unserviceable.
Please PM and let me know which company your are The Fleet Manager of and I shall avoid it like the plague.
If you are "ED" at Flybe and are going to replace either BH or IC, then Gawd (apostrophe) elp us all.
You are a Puppet, with an Upper Case P.
If there was a "hole" in your canopy then it is unserviceable.
Please PM and let me know which company your are The Fleet Manager of and I shall avoid it like the plague.
If you are "ED" at Flybe and are going to replace either BH or IC, then Gawd (apostrophe) elp us all.
You are a Puppet, with an Upper Case P.
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Fleet manager,you are priceless !! an ideal character for VIZ magazine,along with victorian dad or sid the sexist....Your posts,along with the crap saturday night tv have driven me ,"reluctantly",to the local for a few beers and some sane conversation...goodnight !
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Modderator 02 MAR 2007 / Post 412 - Wishy-Washy has said that BAConnect WILL be shut down if flybe do not take it over. BAConnect cannot carry on increasing their losses so the only options available to BA are: Sell (give it to flybe) or shut it down. Either way, BA Mainline staff working in the regions are well and truly fecked... 
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Whilst my sarcasm, (a trait of which I'm not overly proud), I penned because of a detected "holier than thou" attitude, I find myself agreeing with much in the later Fleet Man and HZ123 post's.
Fair's fair.
Fair's fair.
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