Flybe to aquire BA Connect. Crew thread. (No Spotters)-(Part 2)
Fleet Manager? I doubt it with that attitude! But if you are actually a fleet manager, then if you hate pilots that much, maybe you're in the wrong industry. And was it worth registering with PPRuNe just for that pointless bit of nastiness? Or maybe you're just a troll, trying to scare potential recruits away from Flybe, for whatever reason?
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Yes Mr aspacemean indeed! Why dont you just put your tin hat back on, board your rocket and 
back to the planet you came from - URANUS
What qualifications do you have in anything rational - or at all? You seem blinkered at the very least as to the strain the BA Mainline staff in the regions have been under. Without investment, we CANNOT do our jobs.
We didnt screw up Brymon, BRAL, BAConnect etc etc... It was so-called management at Waterworld. Dont blame the ground staff.
We are BA Mainline - NOT BAConnect staff yet we are the ones out of a job.
BAConnect have the guaranteed option of going to flybe or re-interview with BACityflyer.
Whats your job title in the 'big-picture'? By the sounds of it you may be Wishy Washy himself... Yes, a smallminded **** that has NO regard for the staff who have pulled the company back from the brink for the last 5 years in a row. When was the last time the Regions walked out 'unofficially'? When was the last time the Regions walked out when the baggage handlers and catering strike got too much and they were taken off their check-in desks due to angry pax - Never but 'London Town' pulled their staff. We carried on regardless... Through thick and thin as that is our job. We dont shirk a hard shift. When was the last time a chief exec did a walk-round in the regions during these difficult times - never. We dont matter to Waterworld. But Waterworld will accept that EDI-LCY and EDI-LHR make fortunes for BA...
I and a thousand other Regional staff members just wish that people like you with a limited education, would steer clear of forums like this - stick to on-line bingo or something simillar that requires little brain activity. You might strike it lucky and never have to work again - something you seem to know NOT a lot about anyway...
back to the planet you came from - URANUS What qualifications do you have in anything rational - or at all? You seem blinkered at the very least as to the strain the BA Mainline staff in the regions have been under. Without investment, we CANNOT do our jobs.
We didnt screw up Brymon, BRAL, BAConnect etc etc... It was so-called management at Waterworld. Dont blame the ground staff.
We are BA Mainline - NOT BAConnect staff yet we are the ones out of a job.
BAConnect have the guaranteed option of going to flybe or re-interview with BACityflyer.
Whats your job title in the 'big-picture'? By the sounds of it you may be Wishy Washy himself... Yes, a smallminded **** that has NO regard for the staff who have pulled the company back from the brink for the last 5 years in a row. When was the last time the Regions walked out 'unofficially'? When was the last time the Regions walked out when the baggage handlers and catering strike got too much and they were taken off their check-in desks due to angry pax - Never but 'London Town' pulled their staff. We carried on regardless... Through thick and thin as that is our job. We dont shirk a hard shift. When was the last time a chief exec did a walk-round in the regions during these difficult times - never. We dont matter to Waterworld. But Waterworld will accept that EDI-LCY and EDI-LHR make fortunes for BA...
I and a thousand other Regional staff members just wish that people like you with a limited education, would steer clear of forums like this - stick to on-line bingo or something simillar that requires little brain activity. You might strike it lucky and never have to work again - something you seem to know NOT a lot about anyway...
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Just left head office in Exeter. From what I can gather the deal is not going to happen due to "legal difficulties" What happens to BAconnect now is anybody's guess. I know flybe are more than willing to take on most of the Pilots and even the aircraft but anybody joining will be taken on as new starters. I can't believe Willy Walsh would just dissolve the company but I suppose it would be an option.
Don't companies have to go into administration first before any winding up proceedings are filed?
Don't companies have to go into administration first before any winding up proceedings are filed?
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"From what I can gather the deal is not going to happen due to "legal difficulties" What happens to BAconnect now is anybody's guess"
once again,no hard evidence,just making your own judgements and trying to get everyone wound up again.stop making statements like this until you have evidence that this is the case.
What are these "legal difficulties" you keep mentioning yet wont reveal further information...is it because you simply dont know or are just speculating?
"I know flybe are more than willing to take on most of the Pilots and even the aircraft but anybody joining will be taken on as new starters"
again, is this fact, or just what you would like to happen?
"From what I can gather the deal is not going to happen due to "legal difficulties" What happens to BAconnect now is anybody's guess"
once again,no hard evidence,just making your own judgements and trying to get everyone wound up again.stop making statements like this until you have evidence that this is the case.
What are these "legal difficulties" you keep mentioning yet wont reveal further information...is it because you simply dont know or are just speculating?
"I know flybe are more than willing to take on most of the Pilots and even the aircraft but anybody joining will be taken on as new starters"
again, is this fact, or just what you would like to happen?
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Really Modderator,
you claim to work in Exeter, but then go to Flybe recruitment roadshows:
"The roadshow in Leeds was the worst thing I have ever seen. I thought Flybe would of employed professional people for this sort of thing. Obviously I was wrong." Quote from 2 weeks ago.
Stop making posts up.
you claim to work in Exeter, but then go to Flybe recruitment roadshows:
"The roadshow in Leeds was the worst thing I have ever seen. I thought Flybe would of employed professional people for this sort of thing. Obviously I was wrong." Quote from 2 weeks ago.
Stop making posts up.
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...We've just had the FLyBE I.T. folk in to install three PCs with all the intranet facilities and stuff on. Nice. swish HP stuff. They'd better come and get them back again if it's gone tits up then, or perhaps they know more than Modderator does?
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Notice to Crews No. 2
But if you are actually a fleet manager, then if you hate pilots that much, maybe you're in the wrong industry.
My point, missed completely underneath all the vitriol which is seemingly passing for intellectual response, is that your job is to fly aeroplanes. You should stick to what you are good at! (Assuming, of course, that you are good at that.)
As this is a free country, it is allowable, (within reason), to criticise people. This may be offensive to people who are doing their best, but it's allowable as long as it doesn't provoke a libel suit. However, going quite a few steps further, and engaging in utterly pointless personalised criticism of each other, in criticism of takeover contractual details to which you have no input and about which you know little or nothing, only what you are told by management communication - well, that's downright foolish. Even further, there are clearly enough people on here who believe all your prattle - imagine how much extra worry and anxiety you are causing to those people!
Why not leave managing to the managers. To be honest, even as a Fleet or Training Manager, one is not consulted on matters of Company economic policy. That's not surprising, you wouldn't expect the Commercial Director to set SOPs for emergency drills would you? So, criticism of the managers in Flybe and BAConnect is futile, and only shows your wilful lack of understanding of how the system works. You can be quite sure that if the MD or CEO thought a manager's performance was below par, he would not last long. BTW, all Operational Manager salaries I have been involved with have been based in one way or another on a Captain's salary. (Plus 20, 30, 50 per cent or whatever) My point is that it is in the interest of us managers to get your salaries and Ts and Cs as high as possible, and that any economic cuts / layoffs etc come directly from way above us. It is then our job to implement them - we don't enjoy that any more than we enjoy failing peoples' LPCs / OPCs.
In the case of a takeover like yours, it's no different for managers. They will probably mostly be losing their jobs (from the BA side anyway), with far less TUPE protection than yourselves, and less chance of a future similar position, but you don't find them attacking either their opposite numbers in the other company, far less pilots on either side. Why then, do pilots feel the need to try and dictate terms that they will or will not impose on those joining them. Doubtless there will be terms of some sort, but they will be decided by HR and Senior management. All you are achieving here is a long period of dissent and acrimony in your future mixed crewrooms. This behaviour is reminiscent of 70's style Union agitators, and by indulging your fears on this forum and/or on the Flight Deck, you are merely storing up future trouble for yourselves, and very adequately demonstrating your true levels of intellect and behavioural pattern.
I have no idea whether your deal will go through or not; however I am heartily glad I have nothing to do with either of your Companies if you are representative of the average pilot. Fear, mistrust, scurrilous rumourmongering, barely concealed libel and bad-mouthing make it all too plain what you may be like to work with.
For the vast majority of your colleagues (I hope) who do not write on here, or even read this stuff, I extend all my sympathy. Nonetheless, I wish you all the very best of luck. The Airline Business globally has a poor record. The return on capital enjoyed by all but a very few Airlines can be bettered by putting one's money in a building society - you really should be grateful you have jobs, and if you dislike the one you currently have, then come and apply for a position with us!
I look forward to assessing you during the interview and the sim.
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flyingbug, I was representing flybe at the roadshow. I should know how poor the presentation was first hand. It was awful. Stop trying to speculate, all I am doing is passing on the FACTS. Now go away and bug somebody else. 
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The Fleet Man.....
Now don't get me wronge, I believe that most posted on this site is absolute tosh!! ( this included no doubt). There are hidden agendas, slanted opinions, half truths etc.etc.
I can't agree more when you refer to management pilots in your previous post.....
"Pilots eh, I think it fair to say that apparently being a pilot qualifies you to do everyone else's job better than they, and makes you an instant expert in business management/international marketing an economics, when in fact you're just an 'O' level mathematician with (slightly) above average motor skills!"
What?.......oh you meant pilots other than yourself...well of course. I hadn't spotted your reference to ex military service...... and we all recognise a legend in his own mind when we see one, don't we !!
For those Flybe guy's out there reading this, rest assured that the majority of bacon crew joining Flybe, if it happen's, will be reasonable people, just trying to earn a decent living and wanting to get on with the job at hand. Most posting here have hidden agendas and as usual, the most vocal want it all to fail, usually because they see some benefit to themselves should it do so.
Now don't get me wronge, I believe that most posted on this site is absolute tosh!! ( this included no doubt). There are hidden agendas, slanted opinions, half truths etc.etc.
I can't agree more when you refer to management pilots in your previous post.....
"Pilots eh, I think it fair to say that apparently being a pilot qualifies you to do everyone else's job better than they, and makes you an instant expert in business management/international marketing an economics, when in fact you're just an 'O' level mathematician with (slightly) above average motor skills!"
What?.......oh you meant pilots other than yourself...well of course. I hadn't spotted your reference to ex military service...... and we all recognise a legend in his own mind when we see one, don't we !!
For those Flybe guy's out there reading this, rest assured that the majority of bacon crew joining Flybe, if it happen's, will be reasonable people, just trying to earn a decent living and wanting to get on with the job at hand. Most posting here have hidden agendas and as usual, the most vocal want it all to fail, usually because they see some benefit to themselves should it do so.
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Notice to Crews No. 3
Dear Dude,
I would not dismiss your opinion as tosh - I don't know you well enough. However, whilst I applaud your assurances to Flybe pilots about the sort of people affected by the BACON merger/takeover, I note with regret the combative and aggressive nature of your post with reference to myself.
Objectively, I would suggest that I exemplify my earlier point - that is, you and I agree with each other.
Why then is there the need for sarcasm? I have been reading the equivalent cabin crew thread about this merger/takeover; it is astonishing how different an attitude is displayed there, people seem pleased to meet their new colleagues, and are talking up the job very positively. There was not a single critical mention of anybody's manager - truly remarkable.
I reiterate how unfortunate it is that some BACON pilots are so abusive regarding their new owners and colleagues. Inexplicable other than my aforementioned references to fear and uncertainty - however if the cabin crew can hack it, why not the 'skygods' in the front?
I would not dismiss your opinion as tosh - I don't know you well enough. However, whilst I applaud your assurances to Flybe pilots about the sort of people affected by the BACON merger/takeover, I note with regret the combative and aggressive nature of your post with reference to myself.
Objectively, I would suggest that I exemplify my earlier point - that is, you and I agree with each other.
Why then is there the need for sarcasm? I have been reading the equivalent cabin crew thread about this merger/takeover; it is astonishing how different an attitude is displayed there, people seem pleased to meet their new colleagues, and are talking up the job very positively. There was not a single critical mention of anybody's manager - truly remarkable.
I reiterate how unfortunate it is that some BACON pilots are so abusive regarding their new owners and colleagues. Inexplicable other than my aforementioned references to fear and uncertainty - however if the cabin crew can hack it, why not the 'skygods' in the front?
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flyingbug - me thinks you have caused Modderator to dig himself a rather big hole, which he is now trying desperately to get out of!
Modderator -
Sorry old chap, but as bad as IC may be, Flybe would not have despatched someone to represent their Company whose first language is SMS. FYI, it's have. Keep on digging sunshine! 
Modderator -
I thought Flybe would of employed professional people for this sort of thing.
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BACON ops dept ensuring that only cityflyer crews are on the RJs from monday 5th as deal has gone thru and to be announced monday morning, and so anybody off to flybe will be illegal on it from then. The Fleet Manager if you are just that, would you like to confirm?
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Until it is seen in black and white what the outcome will be is still hard to believe, Jim and his mate Willy has got an agreement that they are happy with, let alone all of us might not be.
So another weekend of discontent in the family house hold to know where we stand in all this, until the bewitching hour of 0900 on Monday i am just guessing that might be the time when we all know the full story.
So another weekend of discontent in the family house hold to know where we stand in all this, until the bewitching hour of 0900 on Monday i am just guessing that might be the time when we all know the full story.