Aer Lingus - Direct Entry Pilots
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EI are not a fan of PPRUNE chats about their recruitment process and they do tend to keep an eye on what is said on here. Maybe that's why there hasn't been much response to your queries.
Basic pay is a yearly salary scale, so time on type or experience is not a factor. A new hire with 200 hours gets paid the same as one with 10,000 hours if they joined in the same year.
Some EI crews were working for VN while on unpaid leave from EI. This is just a personally arranged thing and nothing formal between companies.
Basic pay is a yearly salary scale, so time on type or experience is not a factor. A new hire with 200 hours gets paid the same as one with 10,000 hours if they joined in the same year.
Some EI crews were working for VN while on unpaid leave from EI. This is just a personally arranged thing and nothing formal between companies.
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Hello,
How much is take home pay for a brand new FO per month/year (salary + flight/sector pay)?
How long before upgrade to the 330?
Once upgraded, do you fly both the 330/320?
How does the cost of living in Dublin compare to the UK?
Cheers
How much is take home pay for a brand new FO per month/year (salary + flight/sector pay)?
How long before upgrade to the 330?
Once upgraded, do you fly both the 330/320?
How does the cost of living in Dublin compare to the UK?
Cheers
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Commuting on the A320/1 fleet
Does anyone in AL on the A320/1 fleet commute from outside Ireland? Would it be possible and practical to live in Southern England and commute for duties?
Would it be possible to use staff standby tickets to do it relatively cheaply? Thanks for any info.
Would it be possible to use staff standby tickets to do it relatively cheaply? Thanks for any info.
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Sphinx, There is at least 1 who commutes from London on the 320. Jump seating would be a better option as staff tickets to from uk seem to attract a large tax. Right now the 320 works 5 on 2 off 5 on 3 off and the earlies are v.early and the lates, oddly enough, are v.late. This will probably mean you will require some form of accommodation at least initially over here. However, we will be getting PBS in the next few weeks and this might allow for tighter working patterns and consequently more days off. The chances are also pretty good that you wont spend more than a few years on the 320 anyway and then your commute will cease to be a problem. Hope that helps. Curser. PS. lots of talk about foreign bases also.
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C.C., to answer your question. It will depend on the next 3 months. If mol fails and we remain independent; then the 330 fleet (or whatever) grows from 7 a/c to 14 a/c in the next 5-7 years. Combined that with our age demographic and anyone joining now should be offered the long haul in that time frame. Curser. P.s. this is only my interpretation of the swirling clouds in my crystal ball, everything gets a little hazy beyond the next roster period.
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Depending on whom you listen to within the company. Aer Lingus haven't yet recruited their most junior Captain for the year 2010-2011. So that pretty much gives you an idea of the planned recruitment over the next couple of years.
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FYI
It seems that new joiners are now offered a "new" contract, with different T & C's...(since Feb 07)
For example:
- performance related pay threshold changed from 520 to 720 block hours...about 11000 euros less per year (based on 800h/year)
- Leave days were 31, now 44...that's better, maybe a compensation for above, a very little compensation
- Bond for everybody, 10000 euros for type rated and experienced F/O, 30000 euros for non type rated, over 3 year period (pro rated)
I wonder how IALPA will cope with point nbr 1.
So long'
For example:
- performance related pay threshold changed from 520 to 720 block hours...about 11000 euros less per year (based on 800h/year)
- Leave days were 31, now 44...that's better, maybe a compensation for above, a very little compensation
- Bond for everybody, 10000 euros for type rated and experienced F/O, 30000 euros for non type rated, over 3 year period (pro rated)
I wonder how IALPA will cope with point nbr 1.
So long'
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Why The Slowdown?
Hi All,
Earlier posts suggest EI have yet to hire their most junior captain for 2011. They don't seem in too much of a rush to do so of late. People are waiting for word at all stages of the recruitment process all of a sudden. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to why this is now the case?
Do they want people or don't they?
Fly Safe!
Earlier posts suggest EI have yet to hire their most junior captain for 2011. They don't seem in too much of a rush to do so of late. People are waiting for word at all stages of the recruitment process all of a sudden. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to why this is now the case?
Do they want people or don't they?
Fly Safe!
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Ok, now this bond. If I'm not type-rated and EI would give me a type does that mean I must stay at EI for 3 years to fufill my bond and not pay anything? Or that means that part of my paycheck will go into my training at the end of every month and if I leave during that 3 year period I only pay what is left?
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Stay 3 years, pay nothing. Leave after 2 years, pay one third of bond; after 1 year, pay two thirds. Nothing deducted from pay in the interim. Plan A was Pay-for-Rating but this was changed following intervention by IALPA. Adjustment from Plan A to Plan B is in progress.
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Why the slowdown?
Because the company hasn't the resources to train everybody up at the moment. As usual foresight and planning don't necessarily go hand in hand at Aer Lingus. We need pilots yesterday, yet the company will only do something about it tomorrow!
At the moment the training department is working flat out. New recuits are being trained up onto the A320. Whilst multiple command checks are being carried out on the A330 FO's. The A330 training dept is then having to train up new A330 FO's.
Rumour has it the pre-command courses and command checks will have to be held off for a few months until more new recuits are added to the roster. Apparently, we don't have enough pilots to operate the summer schedule.
They want people alright, especially type rated guys. But that pool is rapidly diminishing. Especially, when other operators are recruiting. I doubt there are too many companies out there, that are willing to take on newly qualified pilots without making them pay for their training!
Come on in, life is green!
Because the company hasn't the resources to train everybody up at the moment. As usual foresight and planning don't necessarily go hand in hand at Aer Lingus. We need pilots yesterday, yet the company will only do something about it tomorrow!
At the moment the training department is working flat out. New recuits are being trained up onto the A320. Whilst multiple command checks are being carried out on the A330 FO's. The A330 training dept is then having to train up new A330 FO's.
Rumour has it the pre-command courses and command checks will have to be held off for a few months until more new recuits are added to the roster. Apparently, we don't have enough pilots to operate the summer schedule.
They want people alright, especially type rated guys. But that pool is rapidly diminishing. Especially, when other operators are recruiting. I doubt there are too many companies out there, that are willing to take on newly qualified pilots without making them pay for their training!
Come on in, life is green!
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2011
How many pilots are there in Aer Lingus? About 500 perhaps? Can anyone be serious and tell me that they really expect that there will be command vacancies for someone who joins now or near enough to now and have the hours by then? I'd love to see some evidence! C'mon, who in Aer Lingus can tell me the rate or command upgrades at the moment? Me thinks someone is looking into the bottom of a tea cup while coming up with these BS figures!
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I know someone who joined in 1991 and command course was 2006 so things don't move very fast at EI in terms of years to command. However with all this expansion on the cards time to command will inevitabley reduce significantly, not sure what it is at present.
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Guys who joined 97/98 are going thru the cmd process now. More recruitment onthe cards next year, have heard various numbers mentioned. I don't think anyone joining now will be waiting as long as that for cmd, based on forward orders. Where you will have to live though is another question. Long time to cmd is more than compensated for by salary scale and nice longhaul lifestyle! 
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Regarding getting an application in now ready for future recruitment, can anyone with inside knowledge say whether a photo on the CV is a good idea or not?
Cheers,
flyer4life
Cheers,
flyer4life
