EZY to cancel TRSS in the future?
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EZY to cancel TRSS in the future?
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I got this idea during a flight today... I am to start for eJ in a near future and since I am a turboprop I accepted the TRSS and all "money loan" concerning that issue.
Thinking of the market for the pilots, especially in England, it seems that the companys are starting to have some problems in finding pilots. Could this now mean that EZY (and other companys) will have to stop hireing non type rated pilots via a TRSS and start paying for the TR:s?
Any idea anyone? Because this could actually make a big difference in joining a company today and in a year or so... Economically anyway...
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I got this idea during a flight today... I am to start for eJ in a near future and since I am a turboprop I accepted the TRSS and all "money loan" concerning that issue.
Thinking of the market for the pilots, especially in England, it seems that the companys are starting to have some problems in finding pilots. Could this now mean that EZY (and other companys) will have to stop hireing non type rated pilots via a TRSS and start paying for the TR:s?
Any idea anyone? Because this could actually make a big difference in joining a company today and in a year or so... Economically anyway...
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easyJet got away with rip off scheme like this after 9/11 but now the Pilot market is back on the move, I would be looking else where.
Only sign onto these schemes as last choice...........
Only sign onto these schemes as last choice...........
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I had applied recently, only to be told that due to the "High Calibre of applicants" they could not process my application further"
Which is strange, as many others from my airline who have recently applied have less expreience, hours, types etc, all at least got an interview.
Nothing to do with not ticking the TRSS Box then !
Why would anyone shaft themselves with a 5 year Bond, 5 year reduced salary and no pospect of a Command for 5 years???
If they start taking on Direct Entry Pilots again I may reconsider but at the moment, Thanks but No Thanks.
Which is strange, as many others from my airline who have recently applied have less expreience, hours, types etc, all at least got an interview.
Nothing to do with not ticking the TRSS Box then !
Why would anyone shaft themselves with a 5 year Bond, 5 year reduced salary and no pospect of a Command for 5 years???
If they start taking on Direct Entry Pilots again I may reconsider but at the moment, Thanks but No Thanks.
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There is nothing in the TRSS agreement that I am aware of which prevents getting command within 5 years. (Although DEC's might prevent it!)
With the new pay deal easyjet FO is much more attractive than TP FO, even with the TRSS hanging round your neck.
With the new pay deal easyjet FO is much more attractive than TP FO, even with the TRSS hanging round your neck.
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Next thing on my mind is the following assumption;
a pilot beginning the TRSS and a year later easyJet decides to cancel the TRSS and starts paying for non-rated pilots their TR.
What about the piltos who just before signed a TRSS?
a pilot beginning the TRSS and a year later easyJet decides to cancel the TRSS and starts paying for non-rated pilots their TR.
What about the piltos who just before signed a TRSS?
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Easy is now taking on people on direct entry saleries.
I know one personally who comes with a turboprop background and less than 1000 hours total.
We are hugely short of FO's with many skippers now flying together.
On DE conditions its a good deal, take home just over £3000.
You'll work hard but hey...you know that!
I'm on the TRSS and do I feel annoyed that someone else with less than a third of my experience is being paid £5000 more than me per annum and bonded for 3 years instead of 5.....hell yes.
Do I have a leg to stand on....No of course not.
They are not a charity and will definatly not give away money if they do not legally need to, to think any other way is niave.
I have a contract between myself only and Easy. I sighned it knowing full well what the deal was at a time when the market was different. a bit like fixing your mortagage rates for five years only to find the interest rates drop...tough!
Its rubbish but its life...there is absolutly no way Easy will ever pay back or change my contract before its 3 more years are up.
Options? Stay and get over it or leave.....
Our choice.
And time to command is not 5 years, Its far less that that.
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I know one personally who comes with a turboprop background and less than 1000 hours total.
We are hugely short of FO's with many skippers now flying together.
On DE conditions its a good deal, take home just over £3000.
You'll work hard but hey...you know that!
I'm on the TRSS and do I feel annoyed that someone else with less than a third of my experience is being paid £5000 more than me per annum and bonded for 3 years instead of 5.....hell yes.
Do I have a leg to stand on....No of course not.
They are not a charity and will definatly not give away money if they do not legally need to, to think any other way is niave.
I have a contract between myself only and Easy. I sighned it knowing full well what the deal was at a time when the market was different. a bit like fixing your mortagage rates for five years only to find the interest rates drop...tough!
Its rubbish but its life...there is absolutly no way Easy will ever pay back or change my contract before its 3 more years are up.
Options? Stay and get over it or leave.....
Our choice.
And time to command is not 5 years, Its far less that that.
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Originally Posted by quattro1
I'm on the TRSS and do I feel annoyed that someone else with less than a third of my experience is being paid £5000 more than me per annum and bonded for 3 years instead of 5.....hell yes.
Do I have a leg to stand on....No of course not.
Do I have a leg to stand on....No of course not.
Just my thoughts.
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Pilot Pete,
I appreciate what you have said but we have to be realistic.
If we are on minimum rest and call crewing they say "its legal, are you refusing the duty?" There is no such thing as fairness anymore, there is legal and there is illegal. Black and white.
At least you know where you stand I suppose.
There are some good guys but they only have so much influence.
BALPA couldn't manage a career airline pay deal so I fail to see how they will get me and the others out of a legal contract we all signed.
Apparently there are around 300 of us on TRSS.
£5000 x 300= £1,500,000 a year they arn't obliged to pay....dreamworld!
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I appreciate what you have said but we have to be realistic.
If we are on minimum rest and call crewing they say "its legal, are you refusing the duty?" There is no such thing as fairness anymore, there is legal and there is illegal. Black and white.
At least you know where you stand I suppose.
There are some good guys but they only have so much influence.
BALPA couldn't manage a career airline pay deal so I fail to see how they will get me and the others out of a legal contract we all signed.
Apparently there are around 300 of us on TRSS.
£5000 x 300= £1,500,000 a year they arn't obliged to pay....dreamworld!
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Originally Posted by quattro1
there is legal and there is illegal. Black and white.
At least you know where you stand I suppose.
At least you know where you stand I suppose.
All the best.
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Well strictly speaking it's not a bond, it's a loan (kind of).
But it does mean that unlike a bonded pilot, a TRSS pilot can leave anytime and take the loan with them, not paying anything to the company.
Whereas a bonded pilot would in theory have to pay the balance of the bond if leaving before the 3 years of the life of the bond.
But it does mean that unlike a bonded pilot, a TRSS pilot can leave anytime and take the loan with them, not paying anything to the company.
Whereas a bonded pilot would in theory have to pay the balance of the bond if leaving before the 3 years of the life of the bond.
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Yeah, but if the bonded pilot stays for the period of the bond they pay nothing. If the TRSS pilot stays for the term of the loan, they pay. I fthey leave before the term of the loan, they pay. That's the difference.
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Actually, I know one that did many years ago (14 to be precise). He flew for another carrier prior to EZY and was and still is well regarded.
He states that it was money well spent (but a type rating was 50% cheaper back then). I wonder if he would pay for it at today's rates?
He states that it was money well spent (but a type rating was 50% cheaper back then). I wonder if he would pay for it at today's rates?
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Gentlemen! It's not quite clear explained on the easy web... can anybody pour some light here? If easyjet hires non type rated pilots with enough jet experience as DEFO or DEC, do they go through TRSS scheme, or just 10% of the basic salary cut applies
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The salary for SFO's on TRSS is 38019 pounds plus 5000 pounds. So you actually have the same salary as a DESFO but you have 5000 pounds tax free to pay of your loan. On top of this the salary will increase with a further 4% on 01-10-2006.
I don't think this is too bad for a LCC......
I don't think this is too bad for a LCC......
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JVDS : Kind of but you fall for the same trap as everyone else. Yes you get £38k + £5k, but this is not the same as DE SFO. For the simple fact that they don't then contribute around £5700/year to a loan repayment.
In simple numbers before tax, over the 5 years when compared to a DE SFO who joined on the same day as yourself and remaining a SFO for the 5 years you will be minus approximately (if it takes 2 months training for your base check to happen):
(? say £6000) - 2 months salary from your old job
(? say £6000) - 2 months salary from easyJet (you don't get paid, they do)
£28500 - TRSS loan + interest
£1750 - less in your pension fund (7% x £5000/year)
= approx £42250 less than a DE SFO (and i am sure we found some other little things you don't get but have forgotten)
Effectively you give a working year of your life to easyJet for nothing, zip, nada (ie 1 years salary = approx £42k, or you work 6 years but get paid for 5, and with our roster thats what it feels like). You might get another 4% in October, but the DE SFO also gets 4%, and don't lose your medical or drop dead from the non fatiguing roster cause you guessed it, it is based on your basic salary which again is £5000 less than the DE SFO.
You have to look at the TRSS from every angle to make an informed decision about accepting it. The reason easyJet love it is cause it works in their favour, not because they want to help you out. The secret is to use it for what you want (like they are finding out at the moment) and then bugger off somewhere that suits you better.
baronrouge : depends on what kind of jet. Equivalent B737/A319 then you might get away with it. Smaller than this then probably TRSS. We had MD80 guys that went DE SFO rather than TRSS, however Embraer or CRJ then TRSS. The 90% for 6 months applies regardless of entry method and will apply again on upgrade to Captain.
In simple numbers before tax, over the 5 years when compared to a DE SFO who joined on the same day as yourself and remaining a SFO for the 5 years you will be minus approximately (if it takes 2 months training for your base check to happen):
(? say £6000) - 2 months salary from your old job
(? say £6000) - 2 months salary from easyJet (you don't get paid, they do)
£28500 - TRSS loan + interest
£1750 - less in your pension fund (7% x £5000/year)
= approx £42250 less than a DE SFO (and i am sure we found some other little things you don't get but have forgotten)
Effectively you give a working year of your life to easyJet for nothing, zip, nada (ie 1 years salary = approx £42k, or you work 6 years but get paid for 5, and with our roster thats what it feels like). You might get another 4% in October, but the DE SFO also gets 4%, and don't lose your medical or drop dead from the non fatiguing roster cause you guessed it, it is based on your basic salary which again is £5000 less than the DE SFO.
You have to look at the TRSS from every angle to make an informed decision about accepting it. The reason easyJet love it is cause it works in their favour, not because they want to help you out. The secret is to use it for what you want (like they are finding out at the moment) and then bugger off somewhere that suits you better.
baronrouge : depends on what kind of jet. Equivalent B737/A319 then you might get away with it. Smaller than this then probably TRSS. We had MD80 guys that went DE SFO rather than TRSS, however Embraer or CRJ then TRSS. The 90% for 6 months applies regardless of entry method and will apply again on upgrade to Captain.
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It works in their favour and is also quite clever in it's detail. It confuses a lot of people and would not have the same effect if they simply said:
"All new SFO's will now get £43000, but those without type ratings (or big jet time, possibly) will have to pay for them."
Cause that's what the TRSS scheme basically means.
"All new SFO's will now get £43000, but those without type ratings (or big jet time, possibly) will have to pay for them."
Cause that's what the TRSS scheme basically means.
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The other thing that is very annoying is the fact that they charge 23K for the rating?!!
What do you reckon the going rate for a bulk bought zero flight time bus rating is?
I'd reckon on about ten grand?
This is a big money maker for easy.......
three hundred ish guys on it at prob a 10 grand profit per head?
lovely jubbly!! 3 million smakers!
What do you reckon the going rate for a bulk bought zero flight time bus rating is?
I'd reckon on about ten grand?
This is a big money maker for easy.......
three hundred ish guys on it at prob a 10 grand profit per head?
lovely jubbly!! 3 million smakers!
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Yup, and how come a non-type-rated pilot with lots of big-jet hours goes direct entry and then only has a £17,000 bond??? Someone still has to pay for the type rating so surely it should be £23,000. (Or, even better, TRSS should be £17,000 
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But not only that. The £23,000 includes a fee for doing the Advanced Handling Course, but not everyone is obliged to do that and they still pay £23,000!
)But not only that. The £23,000 includes a fee for doing the Advanced Handling Course, but not everyone is obliged to do that and they still pay £23,000!