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Old 29th Apr 2006, 10:25
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Ryanair European Pilots Association

REPA will hold very important meetings at the stansted hilton hotel on the following dates.
Wednesday may 3rd 1100 and 1600.
Thursday may 4th at 1030.

All pilots are urged to attend these meetings as they are of extreme importance in the campaign against managements degradation of your livelihoods.

Ignorance is no defence and being afraid is for kids!!!
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Old 29th Apr 2006, 16:45
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Post Cast a cold eye.....

Oh goody, another bitch fest for the terminally aggrieved. Let me know if your catering requirements extend to more than a dozen or so, won't you, Didimus?

What with SIPTU squaring off with Aer Lingus management over their privatisation, this summer looks like being no end of entertainment. Don't think your little skirmish will amount to much, though. Even if the Supreme Court caves to Government pressure on Tuesday over the broader implications for Irish Industrial Relations, do you have any idea how long an appeal to the European Court of Justice in Strasburg takes? Where will you be in 7 years, Didimus? Here's a hint for you. Angry young men invariably turn into angry old men...just have a look in the Dublin crewroom. In the meantime, I'll throw up a prayer to St. Jude for you. If ever there was a hopeless cause......

You do seem to have the smelly end of the stick, once again, Dim Repa. Just clear up one small point for me, would you? How is it that a permanent roster of 5 days on followed by 4 days off, garnished with a 5.8% pay rise could possibly be construed as “management degradation” of our livelihoods? Sounds like a reasonable deal to me. Perhas you meant to write "IALPA's campaign to pull the wool over the eyes of the dim witted"?

Meanwhile, you’ll find out very, very soon that all contractors are to be afforded a 5/4 roster when based along with a 10% pay rise from May first. Sure, they’ll be required to do their LPC’s on off days, but they only happen twice a year last time I checked, Didimus. For the rest of the year, 5/4 sounds rather luscious to me and, I’ll wager, a disappointing number of others too. Good luck at the Hilton. Let me know how it works out for you.

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Old 29th Apr 2006, 16:52
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Leo,
I don't work for you guys but I LIKE IT... I LIKE IT ALOT!!!!!
There seems to be a great deal of slagging off going on. Just what percentage of the current Ryanair pilot workforce shares Grim Reaps view? Is it just a load of hot air without a cause?? 5/4 rosters? Yes please!
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Old 29th Apr 2006, 17:03
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Wake up guys. In another european country, one with a better quality of life and higher standard of living than UK, they have been working 900 hrs pa shorthaul and making a profit on a 4/3 basis for years. Often one of those 4 is an SBY. Exchanging something bad for something less worse is not the same as getting something good!

Leo: good to have you back. We thought you had hibernated. But for gawd's sake change the music. Give your imagination some free reign and see where it leads you.You have never made a constructive suggestion other than change nothing because everything is OK. No doubt you feel you deserve the 5/4 and 5.8% because you were at the barricades banging for it? If you were so happy with your previous lot, you can always hand it back.
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Old 29th Apr 2006, 17:59
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Leo thanks for the good wishes.

Why don't you come along to one of the meetings.Might run into some of your colleagues who actually have balls.

Good for the contractors.I Am delighted for them.But correct me if i am wrong,did the head of ops not issue a letter stating how happy the management were that we turned down the fantastic 5/5,5/3,5/2/give up your annual leave,recurrency on days off,medical on days off,take it up the glitter DEAL.(I Must abbreviate that for ease of typing,Lets run with BULL**** deal,that sounds better.)So why are they trying to push it in through the back door and the ERC (your negotiating body) demand that they rescind the latest effort(what was it again,WE THE ERC DEMAND THAT YOU IMMEDIATELY WITHDRAW YOUR LATEST ATTEMPT TO ENFORCE THE REJECTED DEAL.)Why are the new joiners and contractors going on this deal,surely the company has not come over all benevolent all of a sudden.

Anyhow guess i won't see you at the meeting.Pity that,you'll just have to be content with damage limitation on pprune.Love you loads!Thanks for the job!
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Old 29th Apr 2006, 20:08
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Leo, (Michael)
I thought maybe you had been run over by a bus or something Great to have you back. Damage limitation is all you can hope for. I would have thought a man of your calibre would know the history of how unions slowly form and bite management in the ass while their bosses are still counting last years profits. Every new pilot FR recruits is a new thorn in MOLs side-and aint it sweet! Your ignorance to the levels of membership of REPA are a very good indication of you starting to get a bit stressed Maybe a bit sloppy too oh dear it was good while it lasted mate. I'm sure guys like you have at least another couple of years in you before you are found out. But it will come!
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Old 30th Apr 2006, 00:37
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"Meanwhile, you’ll find out very, very soon that all contractors are to be afforded a 5/4 roster when based along with a 10% pay rise from May first."

Oh leo,leo,leo!!

Do ye not think that MOL and his knuckle dragging "YES MEN" have become very predictable at this stage.

Letter's from DOB thanking everybody for rejecting the offer because it save's the company money, saying the"rejection" did'nt bother them, and then forcing the new deal upon all new entries.

We all know that the personal intimidating phone call's will start soon, trying to sell this deal because MOL has decided that that's the deal, and the neanderthal yes men have to produce it for him!!!!

roster pattern's,annual leave,command upgrade's and base preference s will all be used to "direct " people in the MOL decided direction.

leo hairy ass, i think you put way tooooooooo much stock in the 5/4 to sell your deal, 90% already told ye what to do with it and i'm sure our contract brother's will tell ye the same.
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5/4 plus 10%, no change to annual leave and fixed roster for the year ie no changing to 5/3 or 5/2 etc and you have got a deal. Pity thats not what was offered.
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LEO

Repa is the snowball thats turning into an avalanche thats coming to get you. 550 Members and growing. We are coming for you.

Just in case anyone is fooled by this comical Ali impersonator. The new deal they tried to force on us included some of the following:
  • 14 days leave a year, down from 28
  • 85% salary for first yeas Captains
  • Simulator, 4am safety courses, medicals on days off
  • Pay cut in actual terms, inflation adjusted
  • Less sector pay
  • Continue to pay for medicals, food and water
  • No SFO pay scale
  • 5/4 a joke! Contract said 5/2 whenever the company felt like it

I could go on:- Don't believe the Hype..!

Oh and Leo if your not worried about the court case, why are Dublin based F.Os with clams pending being offered any base they want and a command upgrade to drop their cases?
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Leo I too must start by welcoming you back.

As I see it, you, who claim to be just a Ryanair line pilot, seem to be curiously out of sync with your colleagues. You make it all sound like bad unions, good management and poor misled pilots.

The unions are not the issue Leo. The issue is the way in which your so-called colleagues view how they are treated. No unions caused the current state of affairs. Ryanair management did. Why do most Ryanair pilots, whether union members or not, distrust their management to such an extent? This, Leo is surely because of what the management has done, not because of some evil union somewhere?

What I don't get is how you, as a line pilot, have missed this decisive change in pilot opinion. Regardless of their base, pilots in quite devastingly large numbers have concluded that "enough is enough". So here is how it seems to me: you are seriously at odds with your colleagues. You seem to feel that you are right and the vast majority of Ryanair pilots are wrong. When might the penny drop that you are the one who is seriously "out of step"?

Of course none of this matters if you are just a Ryanair propagandist who cares little for the truth - in the manner so typical of Ryanair management. You will just ignore anything inconvenient and churn out the propaganda in the way that we have come to know and love. But even a self-deluded fellow traveller must notice inconvenient facts from time to time. An example is the financial exposure of Ryanair over the victimisation claims - which I, along with many of my colleagues, recently heard explained in some detail. Soon Ryanair pilots in all bases will have heard the same. That explanation sounds better than yours. I think your little notions of how that matter will pan out may end up in the dustbin (along with many of your other pronouncements).

Leo soooo very nice to have you back. But your really do stretch the bounds of credibility. I sometimes wonder if you believe even 1% of the guff you sprout here.
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All I can say is...err...viva...errr.....la revolution. The workers must rise up and back up their thoughts with deeds.

Solidarity,

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Old 30th Apr 2006, 20:51
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You've got to give Leo some credit.......

Everytime he crawls out from under his shell he provokes a response. I often wonder if he does this just to have a laugh. If Leo (Michael) had any sense at all, he would listen to the responses he's getting and accept the FR are drivers have had enough. 5 on 4 off sounds great. A 5 - 6% payrise sounds great. But annual leave reduced to 12 days per year?? Does that not cancel out that percentage increase? Seems like it does to me. I won't even touch upon the "other" stuff on offer.

He must think the FR drivers are blind as well as stupid.

Bit of a p!ss take me thinks!
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A 5% payrise over 5 years is NOT great.

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Old 30th Apr 2006, 21:34
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Hahah. LEO

What utter tosh.

Head out of ar*e comes to mind.

I have not seen the new contract offered to RYR pilots but have heard the headlines from a few friends.

If anyone has got the contract it might be good to put it up.

It was described to me though as a 10 year pay reduction.

Is a 5.8% rise of a small basic £15000-£16000 not an overall loss if you are losing 10% of your sector pay?
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Can somebody please confirm the following:

1. The minimum annual leave for any worker in any industry in EU is 4 weeks.

2. A Day Off is defined as being free from any duty performed at the request of an employer.

IF the above points are true then the offer is instantly rejectable because it is illegal.
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Old 1st May 2006, 16:01
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Don't forget that leo isn't Michael even though some of you would believe it is. Leo is just a line pilot from Cuckoo Clock Land who is based in Germany and likes to think that he is some kind of airline management expert and is craving for someone from management in whatever airline he flies for on the day to offer him the whip.

He's a lovely guy to fly with as his alter ego on here is the only place he exposes himself. You'll know who he is if you ever get to fly with him and ask about how well various Swiss airlines were managed. He will definitely have an opinion on that!

As for letting him wind you all up on here... I didn't think so many of you were so gullible. You'd better not let the real Michael know how easily you are reeled in.
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leo is entitled to his viewpoint,I rarely agree with it and i will not let him away with it.If that is being wound up by him,then well and good.But spin can only be countered by the truth and the willingness to tell it.
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Leo.

On the subject of hopeless cases, let me say this.
You are a bright guy but you could do worse than take a fools advice.

The 2 most important things a man can learn in life are these.

1. There is a God.

2. We are not him.
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'Scuse me.....don't work for you chappies but:

Given the following, wouldn't it be a very silly airline manager that p1ssed his aircrew off too much:

Emirates: by many accounts about to meltdown. Not enough pilots (recruiting is only replacing those who leave). Pilots at max hours and leave cancelled etc. Currently not increasing pay and conditions but watch this space. 1 aircraft per minute for the next 100 years or whatever they are getting. I believe there were not enough 'traditional' Euro-type pilots so they turned to India & Philippines, but...

India: Already melting down. Not enough pilots. Something like 4000 qualified captains needed in the next 2 years? Check out the ever-improving contracts there.

Philippines: Major problems, so many pilots leaving that they are having trouble manning flights. Not enough pilots.

Japan: Some of the better paying pilot positions (for the present, will only get better) but even then, major problems creeping up. Something like 40% of the ANA and JAL pilot group must leave due age over the next 3 years. There just aren't the replacements. Not enough pilots.

Asia Generally: Cathay need 200+ pilots per year. Singapore need many as well. Mainland China is booming and can only train 400 pilots annually when over 2000 are required. Korean, China Airlines, Eva and Asiana all have major replacement/expansion plans and simply too few pilots for this. Not enough pilots.

Qatar/Etihad etc: What will they do? they have Not enough pilots.

The answer is of course they will all have to offer the option of workable bases in home countries for expat pilots, better money and sensible rostering. Whoever doesn't will have parked airframes costing lost of $$$$ and it will be their own fault.

Flying schools just aren't producing the numbers they have historically and airforces have downsized and also don't lose the numbers of pilots they once did.

It is therefore a brave (suggest very stupid) manager who choses this time to belittle his pilots (as a certain Ryanair personality choses to) or degrade their work conditions, particularly if this is done by stealth via Trojan Horse 5/4 plans etc.

Anybody remember Frank Lorenzo? He didn't do much good shall we say for Eastern. May I suggest that whilst this Ryanair person has done much to build the airline as a business, his 'use em up and spit em out after 5 years' career path for pilots has a finite timespan and any further stupidity would only hasten Ryanair's already major crewing problems. That wouln't be good for business.

Good luck to you REPA.

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Al,

I agree with your post, but whats your theory on Qantas then????
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