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Old 6th Jun 2006, 21:41
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Gonna, the fact is I fly with guys who are in their early twenties. Fact. I find it hard to believe that in a career of 30 years they will not make a Jumbo Command. There certainly are some young-ish looking 744 Captains in the BMC! If you can't achieve a widebody command after 30 years then really you should be looking to join Virgin or somewhere instead of wasting your time with this outfit. You might get a command in ten! And £65000, yes that IS more than I earn! Some of my colleagues who transfered to mainline are taking home as much as me each month and they have only been in KLM 3years. Is YOUR salary capped? No.

I can understand that you're building your case by exaggerating, but that's not going to get you my sympathy. Apparently you don't know the facts about our contract, as I don't know them about yours
I am not exaggerating anything and I find this hurtful. I already have friends in KLM so I probably know a little more of YOUR terms and conditions than YOU have clearly bothered to learn of mine. It is clear that your arrogance is just going to shine through and whatever is said, we will never get YOUR sympathy so it is pointless wasting our breath trying to convince you otherwise.

If we join the KLM list, it will not affect you. You will move up the list 140 places and get a payrise, so why are you bothered about whether we are AMS based or not? Have you been forcebly relocated from one part of Holland to the other by your employer? I have- from the East of the UK to the West. The vast majority of us just want to be on the list and build seniority whilst quietly getting on with our lives doing the jobs that we currently do, getting paid what we do and so on. After a number of years, we will have achieved a certain seniority and IF that allows us to bid further onto a mainline contract then at that point, then we effectively resign from KLC uk and yes we would have to accept an AMS base and to be able to speak the Dutch language to a conversational level. That will be the choice. Many of course will never want to go to mainline for many reasons, most of all the AMS base (commuting might be OK if you are ICA but practically impossible if you are on shorthaul).

I do hope that you and your colleagues don't face the same hassle when you are being relocated to Paris in 2008 or when the French ALPA have made an agreement with Air France to get rid of Dutch jobs just as the VNV did with OUR jobs (Duin en Kruisberg agreement)!

If you don't want to give YOUR support, then don't give it. We won't lose any sleep over it. However, we DO have a lot of support from many of your colleagues and THAT is appreciated.

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Old 7th Jun 2006, 07:24
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The fact sheet has been published this morning.
Why are the KLCuk Pilots Balloting for Industrial Action?

Dear Colleagues,

The present KLCuk Company began life as AirUK; this company was formed by the merger, in 1980, of several smaller airlines. At its peak, AirUK was a very profitable airline, employing almost 500 pilots, flying 49 aircraft on an extensive European domestic, charter and feeder network. It was the third largest UK airline and from a pilot’s perspective was regarded as a very prestigious employer.

In 1987 KLM, seeing the prospects and profitability of the Amsterdam feeder network from the UK, purchased a 14% shareholding in AirUK. This shareholding continued to increase until in 1996 KLM owned 100%. During the time of increasing its shareholding in AirUK, KLM, with seats on the AirUK board, saw the asset stripping of the airline, selling off many valuable routes and airport slots within the UK.

During this period of time a typical UK pilot had the choice of flying 4 different turboprop aircraft or 4 different jets and a variety of lifestyles to match.

From March 1998 AirUK operated under the brand of KLMuk and in 1999 her name was changed to KLMuk, following that, over a very short period of time, the entire emphasis of the business changed to that of a feeder airline into Amsterdam. A new airline was formed under the brand of ‘Buzz’ to utilize the then current point to point routes, capitalizing on the expanding low cost sector and to utilize the remaining aircraft and pilots that were no longer required to continue the Amsterdam feeder.

The further asset stripping exercise then came in November 2002 when KLMuk was split into 2 companies, KLCuk and Buzz. KLCuk began its integration into the KLM fold; its remaining assets, (aircraft leases and feeder routes into Amsterdam) were transferred to KLM whilst the pilots remained in KLCuk. As a period of rapid expansion was forecast for Buzz more and more of the KLCuk pilots were planned by the company to transfer into this operation. During this time the KLCuk pilots had the opportunity to move to KLM mainline contracts (subject to file check and age restrictions). The terms of this offer made it only really suitable for those pilots who had very little service within the group; the offer involved resigning from the KLCuk Company and starting as a new entrant with KLM. Considering the option to move to Buzz, at a UK base, the offer was not a viable option for the majority of KLCuk pilots.

After the closure of the ‘once only’ option for the KLCuk pilots to move to KLM mainline contracts the KLCuk pilots retained the option to transfer back into the Buzz operation, at a controlled rate, over the next 5 years. Based on lifestyle issues alone, this was how the majority of the KLCuk pilots had planned their future career path and indeed the way KLM had agreed with the VNV how the planned reduction in the number of pilots to be employed within KLCuk over the next few years would work out.

Then comes the ultimate asset stripping exercise of them all when Buzz was subject to a ‘fire sale’, KLM, against all its assurances made to the UK pilot workforce, decided to dispose of this asset as quickly as possible. The subsequent sale of this airline at a ‘bargain price’ to Ryanair took place.

The KLCuk pilots therefore saw their career choices and aspirations removed overnight, the assurances made for the future all gone and the opening into KLM mainline had been shut - firmly.

This brings us to the more recent history of KLCuk Ltd. The remaining pilots within this group have worked very hard to adapt to a workplace that is changing at an unprecedented pace, even for aviation! We have taken on board a vastly different FTL scheme, new flight manuals, new SOP’s, new management styles and an entirely different cockpit philosophy.

During this time we have seen an enforced rebasing exercise, where pilots have been forced to move themselves and their families to new bases, a proposed detrimental change to our pension scheme, a block on all UK recruitment, a refusal to promote a suitable UK candidate to a management position, continuous and routine breaking of our agreements and a threat to dismiss our pilots over harmonisation issues. You therefore have a small taste of the treatment your UK colleagues have received over the last 3 and a half years.

In short we feel we are being discriminated against on a daily basis.

In November 2002 when the KLMuk pilots became KLCuk pilots there were a total of 249 pilots employed, as of March 2006, there remains only 143 pilots. Over the course of the last 3 and a half years 106 pilots have left the employment of KLCuk creating 106 new jobs for KLM pilots on the KLM seniority list. There can only be one main underlying reason why 42.5% of the workforce has left in such a relatively short period of time.

All this despite the fact that as a group the KLCuk pilots have devoted in excess of 1700 years service to the KLM group of companies, we have Captains with 20 years and more service with 10,000+ hrs of experience.

This must seem a world apart from your very own experiences. We fly the same aircraft, operate using KLM SOPs with colleagues who are paid differently, live in different bases and benefit from different salary structures, pensions, redundancy and workers’ rights than the UK pilot work force. Do you think it is fair your UK colleagues are treated so differently?

Balpa’s action is a stand against this discrimination. There are a number of solutions the company can use to solve this situation. Part of Balpa’s proposal is a re-offering of KLM mainline access to its members under fair and reasonable terms and conditions.

Balpa would prefer a solution that encompasses all UK pilots. Clearly a large undertaking, but the stepping stones towards this need to be set in place now. The company has failed to progress beyond their initial offer, seen by both Balpa and its members, the KLCuk pilots, as derisory.

Hopefully you will now have an understanding to the situation your UK colleagues find themselves in. With nowhere to turn and an inadequate solution offered by the company, the UK pilots have elected to make a stand. By doing so Balpa and its members are attempting to once and for all secure a future that offers equality, mutual respect and a fuller place in the dynamic expanding KLM Air France group.

Please note that the Balpa proposals will not directly affect any of your careers. The KLCuk pilots have invested in the past and deserve a stake in the future.

We ask for your support at this very difficult time.
It can also be downloaded http://www.klmukpilot.co.uk/files/why_are_klc_pilots_balloting_070606.pdf
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I am not exaggerating anything and I find this hurtful. I already have friends in KLM so I probably know a little more of YOUR terms and conditions than YOU have clearly bothered to learn of mine. It is clear that your arrogance is just going to shine through and whatever is said, we will never get YOUR sympathy so it is pointless wasting our breath trying to convince you otherwise.
Now that is hurtful. I'm trying to get a clear view of what is going on here, trying to find out what the problem is with your terms and conditions. Blaming me for not knowing is very unfair. I've tried getting that info from a lot of your collegues, but get no real answers. Can I help that?

The factsheet is the first communication from you guys towards us about your problems. It helps clear up the fact that your terms and conditions are worsening. Also I agree, as most of my KLM collegues do, that you should all be able to work on the same contract as we do, without any selections as are proposed now.

So the way things look now, you have my support. Appreciated or not.
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Well Gonna, if the newly posted letter from BALPA has helped with any misunderstanding of why we are ballotting for this industrial action, then it has been a worthwhile exercise.

As we now have your support it IS, of course, very much appreciated and I hope that if you took any offence from my previous post that you will accept my apology. Hopefully, this letter (which I trust will be distributed in the BMC) will help explain to your colleagues that we have been dealt a pretty poor hand from the KLC management and suffer significant penalties in our terms and conditions- something we feel is only fair if this is addressed. The KLM and KLC management have not come to the table with any improved offer since the last meetings and clearly now, our hand is forced that we go through the route of industrial action. Nobody in KLC uk relishes going this route, but we WILL stand together and if no movement is made by the company, we will strike, rest assured!

This is the only route open to us, if normal negotiations with the company have ground to a halt. It is interesting to note that the VNV are supporting our action. Maybe the only way to force the issue and to get the two parties around the table is to hurt the parent company (Air France-KLM) financially.

All we want is for equality, if not in all areas, but most (everything is negotiable) and to be able to work together with our Dutch colleagues, knowing that at least we are considered equals!
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Old 15th Jun 2006, 10:27
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from BALPA :-)

Dear Collegues,

BALPA has produced a document to inform you of why your KLCuk collegues are balloting for industrial action against discrimination, we have now had this document translated into Dutch for your convenience in the hope that it will give you an better understanding of our concerns.

On behalf of your KLCuk collegues i thank you in advance for your support, please do talk to any of your KLCuk collegues in the crew centre who will be happy to answer any questions you may have.

Together we can make a secure future for all.

Geachte Collega’s

Het huidige KLCuk is ontstaan uit het voormalige AIRuk; deze maatschappij is op haar beurt weer ontstaan door een fusie van verschillende kleine luchtvaartmaatschappijen. Op het hoogtepunt van haar bestaan was AIRuk een zeer winstgevende luchtvaartmaatschappij, die werk bood aan bijna 500 vliegers, die vlogen 49 vliegtuigen, langs een zeer uitgebreid europees, nationaal, feeder en charter netwerk. Het was de op drie na grootste maatschappij in de UK, en vanuit het standpunt van de vlieger gezien een zeer prestigieuze maatschappij om voor te werken.

Toen de KLM in 1987 de winstgevendheid en de vooruitzichten inzag van een feeder luchtvaartmaatschappij vanuit de UK naar Amsterdam, kocht zij 14% van de aandelen van AIRuk. Geleidelijk werd het belang in AIRuk uitgebreid totdat in 1996 KLM volledig eigenaar was. Tijdens deze periode ontmantelde de KLM, nu met mensen in de directie van AIRuk, de maatschappij langzaam van haar bezittingen zoals het verkopen van waardevolle routes en slots binnen de UK.

Tijdens deze periode had een AIRuk vlieger de keuze om 4 verschillende turboprop vliegtuigen en 4 verschillende jets te vliegen, gecombineerd met een variatie van verschillende levensstijlen.

Vanaf Maart 1998 opereerde AIRuk onder de merknaam KLMuk en in 1999 werd de naam veranderd in KLMuk, kort waarna, tijdens een zeer korte periode, de gehele nadruk kwam te liggen op het voeden van het KLM netwerk in Amsterdam. Tegelijkertijd werd er een nieuwe luchtvaartmaatschappij opgericht onder de naam Buzz, om te kunnen voorzien in de toen aanwezige point to point routes, om te kunnen profiteren van de zich nog steeds uitbreidende low cost sector, en om de overgebleven vliegers en vliegtuigen die niet langer nodig waren in het feeder netwerk te benutten.

In November 2002 werd het bedrijf verder ontmanteld, door het te splitsen in twee maatschappijen. KLCuk en Buzz. KLCuk werd geďntegreerd in de KLM organisatie; de overgebleven bezittingen ( vliegtuig lease contracten en feeder routes naar Amsterdam) werden overgebracht naar de KLM organisatie, terwijl de vliegers in dienst bleven van KLCuk. Gezien de verwachte snelle groei van Buzz lag het in de planning van bedrijf om steeds meer vliegers over te plaatsen naar deze operatie. Gedurende deze periode was er voor de KLCuk vliegers een mogelijkheid om in dienst te treden bij de KLM( na een file check en met een restrictie op leeftijd). Door de voorwaarden van dit aanbod was de overgang eigenlijk alleen geschikt voor die vliegers die nog niet al te lang in dienst waren van de maatschappij; het aanbod hield in ontslag nemen bij KLCuk en opnieuw starten als een nieuwe werknemer bij de KLM. In overweging nemend de mogelijkheid om naar Buzz over te stappen naar een standplaats in de UK, was voor de meerderheid het aanbod geen aanvaardbare optie.

Nadat het termijn van de “eenmalige aanbieding” om over te stappen naar de KLM was verstreken, behielden de KLCuk vliegers de mogelijkheid om te gaan vliegen voor Buzz, met een gecontroleerde uitstroom van vliegers vanuit KLCuk tijdens de volgende vijf jaar. Gebaseerd op levensstijl, was dit de manier waarop de meerderheid van de KLCuk vliegers hun toekomstige carričre hadden gepland, en tevens de manier om de reductie van KLCuk vliegers te bewerkstelligen in de komende jaren zoals de KLM dat met het VNV was overeengekomen.

Uiteindelijk komt dan de ultieme ontmanteling van het laatste bezit; de uitverkoop van Buzz, de KLM, ondanks alle beloftes aan de UK vliegers, besloot om dit bezit zo snel mogelijk van de hand te doen. Vervolgens werd de maatschappij tegen een dump prijs verkocht aan Ryanair. Derhalve zagen de KLCuk vliegers hun carričre mogelijkheden en aspiraties verdwijnen als sneeuw voor de zon, garanties voor de toekomst waren weg, en de deur naar de KLM zat stevig dicht.

Wij komen nu bij een wat recentere geschiedenis van KLCuk Ltd. De overgebleven vliegers binnen deze groep hebben zeer hard gewerkt om zich aan te passen aan een met ongekende snelheid (zelfs voor luchtvaartbegrippen) veranderende werkomgeving. Wij hebben ons een totaal andere werk en rusttijden regeling, nieuwe AOM’s , nieuwe SOP’s , een nieuwe stijl van management, en een totaal andere cockpit filosofie eigen gemaakt.

Recentelijk zijn wij geconfronteerd met een “rebasing” waarbij vliegers en hun familie gedwongen werden te verhuizen, een slecht voorstel om onze pensioen voorziening te veranderen, een aanname stop voor vliegers uit de UK, de weigering om een geschikte kandidaat aan te stellen in een management functie, een continue en routinematige schending van onze arbeidsovereenkomst, en een dreiging om onze vliegers te ontslaan naar aanleiding harmonisatie kwesties. Nu heeft u een klein beetje inzicht in hoe uw collega’s zijn behandeld in de laatste 3 en een half jaar.

Kortom wij voelen ons gediscrimineerd

In november 2002, toen KLMuk vliegers KLCuk vliegers werden waren er 249 vliegers in dienst. Vanaf Maart 2006 zijn daarvan nog 143 overgebleven. In de afgelopen 3 en een half jaar hebben 106 vliegers KLCuk verlaten, en zijn er dus 106 nieuwe plaatsen gecreëerd voor KLM, geplaatst op de KLM senioriteitlijst. Er kan slechts maar een achterliggende gedachte zijn waarom 42,5 % van het vliegerscorps het bedrijf heeft verlaten in zo’n korte tijd.

Dit alles ondanks het feit dat wij als groep KLCuk vliegers 1700 dienstjaren hebben binnen de KLM groep. Er zijn bij ons gezagvoerders in dienst met meer dan 20 dienstjaren, en met meer dan 10.000 vlieguren.

Dit moet u toch allemaal vreemd in de oren klinken gezien uw eigen ervaringen. Wij vliegen dezelfde vliegtuigen, en werken volgens dezelfde KLM SOP’s, met collega’s die anders worden betaald, het voordeel hebben van andere salaris structuren, pensioenen werkgelegenheidsbescherming, werknemersrechten dan het UK vliegerscorps.

De actie van Balpa is bedoeld om een einde te maken aan deze discriminatie. Er zijn een aantal mogelijke oplossingen die de KLM zou kunnen aandragen om de situatie op te lossen. Een onderdeel van het voorstel van Balpa is om haar leden nogmaals een mogelijkheid te geven in dienst te treden bij de KLM, maar wel onder eerlijke en redelijke voorwaarden.

Balpa geeft de voorkeur aan een oplossing die aanvaardbaar is voor alle UK vliegers. Dit is een enorme opgave, maar de fundering hiervoor dient nu gelegd te worden. De KLM is altijd bij haar eerste aanbod gebleven, door Balpa en haar leden aangemerkt als belachelijk.




Wij hopen dat u nu een inzicht heeft gekregen in de situatie waarin de KLCuk collega’s zich bevinden. Volledig in het nauw, en met ontoereikende voorstellen geconfronteerd, hebben de KLCuk vliegers besloten om voor zichzelf op te komen.Hiermee hopen Balpa en haar leden voor eens en voor altijd een toekomst veilig te stellen, bestaande uit gelijkheid, wederzijds respect en een volwaardige plaats in de dynamische en groeiende KLM-Airfrance groep.

Wij willen er met nadruk op wijzen dat de voorstellen van Balpa geen directe invloed hebben op uw carričre. De KLCuk vliegers hebben geďnvesteerd in het verleden en verdienen een belang in de toekomst!

Wij vragen uw steun in deze moeilijke tijd.












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Old 16th Jun 2006, 22:52
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Heard today. 132 ballot papers sent out. 128 returned with 100% (yes 100%) in favour of strike action.

Maybe now KLM will wake up and look at our grievance seriously or they can prepare for a summer of disruption. I am sure that the customers will look forward to that!
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here is the first from the press
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/3985197.html
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