Ryanair - A Guide for Prospective Pilot Employees
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The information on Ryanair posted in post 7 on this thread was already out of date when it was posted. I understand it is continuously updated, so does anyone have a new version and why have we not seen an update here? Somebody must have a copy.
Jinkster the answer to your query is that after the television programme, the roster pattern was changed considerably, with much of the work being done by contractors. People doing 95-99.5 hours a month suddenly found themselves with minimal work.
Both claims are true.
Jinkster the answer to your query is that after the television programme, the roster pattern was changed considerably, with much of the work being done by contractors. People doing 95-99.5 hours a month suddenly found themselves with minimal work.
Both claims are true.
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Not sure which FTLs you refer to, but CAP371 certainly does (not that I am defending it). The items that affect a FDP length are; duty start time and number of sectors. Generally speaking, the more unsocial the start time the fewer hours you can do, and the more sectors you do the fewer duty hours you can do. Do Ryanair pilots work under some other system that does not work like this?
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It is very simple really. Ryanair had a bunch of pilots stalled in training which was a mess last winter 05/06. The previous management left or were fired. PB came in with a new team.
The training dept is fixed, rostering and got pilots back on line. Now they are managing to the last hour each pilots roster individually. They have pilots now to cover new a/c and the plan is that each will work 70 hours a month until March. Simple really.
The training dept is fixed, rostering and got pilots back on line. Now they are managing to the last hour each pilots roster individually. They have pilots now to cover new a/c and the plan is that each will work 70 hours a month until March. Simple really.
I know nothing about Ryanair, but they are compared to Southwest Airlines?
Ok.
So it must be a secret over there in Ireland, the UK and in Europe that Southwest pilots are, as a whole, the best paid B-737 airline pilots in the US (whether including extra trips or not), if not in the world? Many of the older SWA pilots and Flight Attendants did very, very well with shares of stock after it split several times over many years-the comparison?
Southwest appears to have been based upon and operated by a policy of keeping staff morale high and encouraging teamwork and enjoying the job. This is a very rare concept in recent memory for a large, US airline. Most upper managements are in it for themselves and to throw benefits to the Boards of Directors. Southwest has grown very carefully, and their marketing has been based only upon studious, gradual growth, avoiding the very typical corporate ego pitfalls and traps which have doomed and consumed dozens and dozens and dozens of US airlines, large and small.
Many of those which were doomed had the lowest labor costs. But isn't that an apparent contradiction?
I have trouble understanding how to improve morale by nickeling and diming (looking at tiny chicken s**t) staff for each ball point pen or bag of salty peanuts, from everything that I've read about the industry and those executives who displayed true examples of leadership. What a very rare commodity in the US airline industry, when a combination of talent for inspiring people joins up with true motivation in order to guide and position an airline for long-term success!
Not just sucking out any short-term costs, no matter how disappointed and disillusioned the passengers are (what? no more meals or pillows?), then lifting the handles, squeezing the triggers on a zero zero ejection seat for a guaranteed extremely "golden parachute" retirement (so they can build a much larger home at Lake Tahoe, then return to damage another airline).
Ok.
So it must be a secret over there in Ireland, the UK and in Europe that Southwest pilots are, as a whole, the best paid B-737 airline pilots in the US (whether including extra trips or not), if not in the world? Many of the older SWA pilots and Flight Attendants did very, very well with shares of stock after it split several times over many years-the comparison?
Southwest appears to have been based upon and operated by a policy of keeping staff morale high and encouraging teamwork and enjoying the job. This is a very rare concept in recent memory for a large, US airline. Most upper managements are in it for themselves and to throw benefits to the Boards of Directors. Southwest has grown very carefully, and their marketing has been based only upon studious, gradual growth, avoiding the very typical corporate ego pitfalls and traps which have doomed and consumed dozens and dozens and dozens of US airlines, large and small.
Many of those which were doomed had the lowest labor costs. But isn't that an apparent contradiction?
I have trouble understanding how to improve morale by nickeling and diming (looking at tiny chicken s**t) staff for each ball point pen or bag of salty peanuts, from everything that I've read about the industry and those executives who displayed true examples of leadership. What a very rare commodity in the US airline industry, when a combination of talent for inspiring people joins up with true motivation in order to guide and position an airline for long-term success!
Not just sucking out any short-term costs, no matter how disappointed and disillusioned the passengers are (what? no more meals or pillows?), then lifting the handles, squeezing the triggers on a zero zero ejection seat for a guaranteed extremely "golden parachute" retirement (so they can build a much larger home at Lake Tahoe, then return to damage another airline).
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The latest bond figure is $15,000 decreasing over 5 years. This is if you are 737 300-900 rated, but have never flown the NG. They also have different basic pay rates depending on whether you have flown the NG or not.........why not just go to EZY where it's a little more transparrent.
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I read that guide several months back. From converations rec3ently with some Ryan guys it seems that things are even worse now! Can I get on the repa website if i'm not a ryan pilot?
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Hi,got the email for a interview/sim assesment with Ryanair.I advised them that i have the FAA ATPL 2600hrs TURBINE TIME.Are they winding me up or do they get some dispensation for you to do the JAA ATPL.I dont want to do the interview and then be told I have to do the 14 theory exams before being employed,do they have some magic way around this????Also I have never flown the 737.Would appreciate any feedback at all!
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Camprax,
As far as I am aware you can validate your licence with the IAA for one year, probably longer as it's all about money. You can do the 14 exams if you like and obtain the JAA ATPL during your first year of validation, but it's alot of work especially if you are going to be doing 12 hour duties.
As you don't have the rating on the 737 they may ask you to pay for this or they may bond you. You'll go in on the FO rate which might be anywhere between 45 - 75 euro an hour depending on which day of the week you start.......more than likely you won't get offered a permanent position and will be forced on the Brookfield contract.
You need to pay for everything while training, you'll have to pay for your medical, licence conversion, and maybe work permit if from the States. You wont get payed until after line check, so budget for at least 3 months from start to finish before you are on the payroll, well could be longer as you'll need to do a type rating......maybe 6 months.
Sorry lads repaweb.org is not open to non employees, but in the future it might have limited access.
As far as I am aware you can validate your licence with the IAA for one year, probably longer as it's all about money. You can do the 14 exams if you like and obtain the JAA ATPL during your first year of validation, but it's alot of work especially if you are going to be doing 12 hour duties.
As you don't have the rating on the 737 they may ask you to pay for this or they may bond you. You'll go in on the FO rate which might be anywhere between 45 - 75 euro an hour depending on which day of the week you start.......more than likely you won't get offered a permanent position and will be forced on the Brookfield contract.
You need to pay for everything while training, you'll have to pay for your medical, licence conversion, and maybe work permit if from the States. You wont get payed until after line check, so budget for at least 3 months from start to finish before you are on the payroll, well could be longer as you'll need to do a type rating......maybe 6 months.
Sorry lads repaweb.org is not open to non employees, but in the future it might have limited access.
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Hey easymoney thanks for the reply.I wont need a work permit as I have UK Pspt.Do you have to get the loan for yourself for the type rating or does the company act as a guarantor for it and you pay back the financial institution?What can you expect to take home on Line salary as FO.Thanks in advance for the reply the website only says the company pays training for guys rated on medium jets but is a bit vague on how you are expected to "raise" funds for the type.
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Any funds will need to be sorted by yourself. I was already typed but it's close to 30K euro for the rating.
The salary depends on where you are based and lots of other variables. It's very unclear what anyone is getting. It will also depend if you are considered as an FO or SFO. So it's roughly between 2000 to 2500 basic after tax and 2000 to 2500 sector pay after tax. So 4000 to 5000 euro after tax. But I'm sure there are some on less than this. Remember there's absolutely no benefits, like uniform, medical, loss of licence, pension or even drinking water. Hopefully things will improve, but there's better positions out there. The only advantage I can see for you is the ease at which you can convert your licence. But check this out by phone with the IAA first. You can find there numbers online. Have a look at the EZY website..........much better terms and conditions. All in black and white too...............not like FR.
Best of Luck in your search.
The salary depends on where you are based and lots of other variables. It's very unclear what anyone is getting. It will also depend if you are considered as an FO or SFO. So it's roughly between 2000 to 2500 basic after tax and 2000 to 2500 sector pay after tax. So 4000 to 5000 euro after tax. But I'm sure there are some on less than this. Remember there's absolutely no benefits, like uniform, medical, loss of licence, pension or even drinking water. Hopefully things will improve, but there's better positions out there. The only advantage I can see for you is the ease at which you can convert your licence. But check this out by phone with the IAA first. You can find there numbers online. Have a look at the EZY website..........much better terms and conditions. All in black and white too...............not like FR.
Best of Luck in your search.
