Ryanair - A Guide for Prospective Pilot Employees
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My sister Dolly tells me she finds Leo's style immensely familar too. A female ppruner of long ago Staffa, suufa something like that. There are similar elements of both gender confusion and assignment in his writing she avers. Having not attended the well known Ladies College during such a daring and racy period she leaves me baffled and discomfitted.
I think we should put LHC forward for "The Grayling To The Bait" award of 2006 even although we are still barely into March. It is a well known fact that the grayling will rise to almost any bait. They have never learned that the smart thing to do is lie at the bottom of the pool, mouth politely and ignore anything that comes within eyesight.
He must be laughing his bo**ox off every time he dips his float into the water and watches the tons of fish that leap to his bait.
If you don't want to be classified as a grayling (very, very easy to catch - especially with a hand grenade) then don't rise to the bait. Camels simply do not swim easily without a great deal of assistance.
He must be laughing his bo**ox off every time he dips his float into the water and watches the tons of fish that leap to his bait.
If you don't want to be classified as a grayling (very, very easy to catch - especially with a hand grenade) then don't rise to the bait. Camels simply do not swim easily without a great deal of assistance.
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Hells Bells man where have you been.Just rewind this very same thread to captainink and you will see exactly what an asskicking you are going to get joining ryanair at the moment.
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Excellent posting captaink.
More information people have to make a sound decision, the better. I honestly don't think anything will stop low hour recruits joining though.. most would sell their granny to fly a jet for the first time, kind of exacerbates the rot from the bottom up and keeps the fire burning in mol's devilish hell..
More information people have to make a sound decision, the better. I honestly don't think anything will stop low hour recruits joining though.. most would sell their granny to fly a jet for the first time, kind of exacerbates the rot from the bottom up and keeps the fire burning in mol's devilish hell..
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i've heard many of the problems that face the employees
according to the website, FOs can earn up to £70000, and captains £100000...
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I am not a pilot but have pilots/flight examiners in the family. I have also worked in the industry as a Flight Attendant, Checkin Chick and Flight Crew Rosterer.
I (New Zealand) have just seen a documentary about Ryan Air and I can honestly say that I am truely 'Gob Smacked'!
At the gates the trainees are (appear to be told) that they dont have time to check the passports so to just check that the passengers do actually have one! When this lady did actually do her job throughly she was repremanded for delaying the flight!
The Flight Attendants did not have time to do their checks and when a junior did see a defect with one of the doors, the senior F/A nor the Pilots followed it up! The life jackets were not checked inbetween turnarounds.
On the F/A ground course they were pretty much given the answers to the questions of all of the exams and they were never given any emergency drills on an actual aircraft. So lets hope that you never need the cabin crew because it would seem that they would have absoultely no idea of how to handle an actual emergency. It would also appear that the cabin crew are worked so hard that they fall asleep on duty!
There was also footage of an A/C sitting on the ground awaiting clearance from engineering. Fair enough! Sitting on the ground for 3 hours with pax OB waiting to get the all clear. I can see that. But when they finally did depart they got half way to said A/P and then had to divert to another (not the A/P of departure) because said A/P closed at a certain time. Surely the Pilots/Operations sould have known the closing time of that port before deparure!
All seemed really messy and unsafe to me.
But what about you guys and girls. I know that the Cabin Crew trust you to get them home saftely during each duty. But after seeing that doco, what must you be thinking?
I have no doubt that your mission for each day is to get the passengers from A to B as saftely as poss. No matter how arrogant one can be, you all should be able to place a certain amount of trust in the crew down the back! After all they are looking after all of those pax, they are your eyes and ears!
After watching that doco I personally would never fly Ryan Air. "You get what you pay for". Perhaps, but do Ryan Air Pilots get danger money? Is it about time that you delayed flights to check the safety of your A/C.
I am (as I speak) padding my bum, whilst awaiting the back lash!
I (New Zealand) have just seen a documentary about Ryan Air and I can honestly say that I am truely 'Gob Smacked'!
At the gates the trainees are (appear to be told) that they dont have time to check the passports so to just check that the passengers do actually have one! When this lady did actually do her job throughly she was repremanded for delaying the flight!
The Flight Attendants did not have time to do their checks and when a junior did see a defect with one of the doors, the senior F/A nor the Pilots followed it up! The life jackets were not checked inbetween turnarounds.
On the F/A ground course they were pretty much given the answers to the questions of all of the exams and they were never given any emergency drills on an actual aircraft. So lets hope that you never need the cabin crew because it would seem that they would have absoultely no idea of how to handle an actual emergency. It would also appear that the cabin crew are worked so hard that they fall asleep on duty!
There was also footage of an A/C sitting on the ground awaiting clearance from engineering. Fair enough! Sitting on the ground for 3 hours with pax OB waiting to get the all clear. I can see that. But when they finally did depart they got half way to said A/P and then had to divert to another (not the A/P of departure) because said A/P closed at a certain time. Surely the Pilots/Operations sould have known the closing time of that port before deparure!
All seemed really messy and unsafe to me.
But what about you guys and girls. I know that the Cabin Crew trust you to get them home saftely during each duty. But after seeing that doco, what must you be thinking?
I have no doubt that your mission for each day is to get the passengers from A to B as saftely as poss. No matter how arrogant one can be, you all should be able to place a certain amount of trust in the crew down the back! After all they are looking after all of those pax, they are your eyes and ears!
After watching that doco I personally would never fly Ryan Air. "You get what you pay for". Perhaps, but do Ryan Air Pilots get danger money? Is it about time that you delayed flights to check the safety of your A/C.
I am (as I speak) padding my bum, whilst awaiting the back lash!
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Whats the story with all that's going on with Ryan Air?
As a management pilot B737NG TRE looking for a change...is all that bad or is it a core group of fellow aviators forgetting where ther roots are? It seems everytime you turn PPRUNE there's another grip from the lads there! It's getting a tad boring lads...Take them to court, resolve the issues and have a pint at the end of it all.
As a management pilot B737NG TRE looking for a change...is all that bad or is it a core group of fellow aviators forgetting where ther roots are? It seems everytime you turn PPRUNE there's another grip from the lads there! It's getting a tad boring lads...Take them to court, resolve the issues and have a pint at the end of it all.
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Warning on ryanair wages
I would like to remind the pilots who want to join Ryanair that:
1)If you are permanent:
More than 50 % of your salary is based on flight pay. Therefore the money you should get according to Ryanair claim is based if you fly 900 h / year.
For Ryanair to guarantee you to fly 900h/year amongs other things they have to make sure the number of pilots employed is equal or less than the number of pilots required.
I think with the size of Ryanair today (more than 100 aircrfat, more than 1200 pilots) it will be more and more difficult to realise this fragile balance (pilot employed < or = the number of pilots required).
Furthermore with the company growing every year, it will be even more difficult to realise this balance.
We can see it already today, it seems already that Ryanair have an excess of pilots for this year and it will be unlikely to fly the 900h/year. Therefore a reduce pay.
This will reduce seriously the pilot salary and maybe the worse is that you do not know what you can expect for your salary in the months to come or years since you do not know how many pilots in excess Ryanair will get each year.
2) For the contractors:
The situation could be worse since their salary is based on flight pay only.
I just wanted to make this observation
A3X0
1)If you are permanent:
More than 50 % of your salary is based on flight pay. Therefore the money you should get according to Ryanair claim is based if you fly 900 h / year.
For Ryanair to guarantee you to fly 900h/year amongs other things they have to make sure the number of pilots employed is equal or less than the number of pilots required.
I think with the size of Ryanair today (more than 100 aircrfat, more than 1200 pilots) it will be more and more difficult to realise this fragile balance (pilot employed < or = the number of pilots required).
Furthermore with the company growing every year, it will be even more difficult to realise this balance.
We can see it already today, it seems already that Ryanair have an excess of pilots for this year and it will be unlikely to fly the 900h/year. Therefore a reduce pay.
This will reduce seriously the pilot salary and maybe the worse is that you do not know what you can expect for your salary in the months to come or years since you do not know how many pilots in excess Ryanair will get each year.
2) For the contractors:
The situation could be worse since their salary is based on flight pay only.
I just wanted to make this observation
A3X0
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With 1200 pilots you have 600 crews. Flying 900 hours per year translates to 540,000 pilot/aircraft block hours. With 100 aircraft this equals 5,400 block hours per year per aircraft. This results in 15.79 hours per day. The final figure does not reflect any of the 100 aircraft down for maintanance or other contingencies, or crews down for their required rest periods either. However no more than 200 crews operate all aircraft in one day. At the end of the day the airline is still understaffed. For short haul flights, in the case of RYR, a minimum of 4.5 crews per aircraft is required. Again this is becuase there are no overnights.
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in the trenches---
my flying has dropped off quite a bit this last few weeks. lots of standby days on each week's roster. and i hear that it is common for others as well.
it might be a cunning plan to have us at hand during jan/feb/mar when we were timed out last year.
who knows.
it might be a cunning plan to have us at hand during jan/feb/mar when we were timed out last year.
who knows.
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I understand it is because PB is monitoring every pilots hours individually on a weekly basis. If you are above the average of 73 hours a month - you are rested from the roster to bring you back in line.
I am told there is a memo in crew control about some new software FR have working that is managing the hours - so all pilots will be working 12 months of the year.
I suspect all Capts will get close to 900 hours.
I am told there is a memo in crew control about some new software FR have working that is managing the hours - so all pilots will be working 12 months of the year.
I suspect all Capts will get close to 900 hours.
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Last week - falling asleep due to too many hours
This week - not enough pay due to lack of hours
Anyone got concrete evidence??
But then i suppose this is a rumour network..........
This week - not enough pay due to lack of hours
Anyone got concrete evidence??
But then i suppose this is a rumour network..........