EAAC IN TROUBLE AGAIN
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EAAC IN TROUBLE AGAIN
3 and a half months after the last set of redundancies, PGS s#*ts on his loyal employees once again. Yet another envelope drops through the letterbox, with the wonderful news. Apparently downsizing to a two aircraft operation, causing many job losses for flight deck, cabin crew and office staff. It would seem he is doing a complete clearout, as rumour has it Ozjet is on the market for 10million US dollars! Maybe it's time PGS realised scrap dealing is his thing and leaves the flying to the experts!
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From my experience with EAAC it doesnt surprise me! When the majority of 737's went to Oz it raised a few questions about what would happen with the UK aircraft? With the news that PS has bought a handful of MD82's the scrap pile will keep growing! I feel sorry for the last bunch of recruits that thought that this was the start of a bright future! Most of the last course resigned due to very poor working conditions! Watch this space i guess?
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tell me about it i am just glad i decided to leave a month earlier, altho alot of my friends still worked for them, its them that i feel sorry for as they work really hard in very poor conditions.
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At the moment, nothing definite has been announced, we are still in " a period of consultation", however what little morale there was in the company seems to have shot through the floor. Fingers crossed that a suitable compromise can be reached, although it looks quite bleak for the future.
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Trouble is Stodard knows nothing about running an airline has had to rely on the advise of his dead wood management team. Had he got rid of the self opinionated wasters like Jones and Henderson this could have been a good little airline.
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Comments like that say more about you than the people you refer to.
If you had anything to do with the company you would know how to spell the bosses' surname.
If it were not for the people you mention, EAAC would have ceased to exist a long time ago.
If you did not have an axe to grind you would not have hurled insults at two people that could not be more diametrically opposite to your description of them.
If you had anything to do with the company you would know how to spell the bosses' surname.
If it were not for the people you mention, EAAC would have ceased to exist a long time ago.
If you did not have an axe to grind you would not have hurled insults at two people that could not be more diametrically opposite to your description of them.
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I'm sure a list will be produced that will have the favourite's names on it. Just like the last list it will have no bearing on seniority. GJ will plead again that he is in the same boat as everybody else! If you want loyalty get a dog was a comment made 2 yrs ago.
The airline was a good airline, had a lot of hard working and dedicated crews, was good at what it did and had a niche which I believe is still there. You have to look further up the food chain to lay the blame, Commercial and Ops made some bizzare decisions with crewing adding in their 2 penneth. Ivor is right, the way crews were selected for the last 'sacking' was outragous. DB selecting the pilots he liked and the girlfriend of the boss selecting the cabin crew.
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European is nothing but an old boys club. If PGS was half the businessman he likes to think he is, he would have got rid of his commercial dept years ago. He created a hobby for Jones and Henderson, by letting them have their own TRTO and regardless of who you are or where you've come from, if you can pull the wool over their eyes (IH), you've got yourself a job.
Isn't it time that some new blood got their chance to make European what it could have been.........Unfortunately the old boys club has done too much damage.
If there wasn't an "upstairs" at head office, European would be a successful organisation.
Isn't it time that some new blood got their chance to make European what it could have been.........Unfortunately the old boys club has done too much damage.
If there wasn't an "upstairs" at head office, European would be a successful organisation.
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Haul by cable, It would appear you are a minority of one. The company has Dan Air attitudes that should have been left back in the 60s and 70s. As for
"if it wasn't for these two crap" you really don't know who pulls the strings do you.
"if it wasn't for these two crap" you really don't know who pulls the strings do you.
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I have heard on the grapevine that EAC is up for sale. Whether Bath travel buy it or not is still to be seen. Whatever happens, nothing is going to save the MAN and BHX bases - he's already made his mind up about that.
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AIRGOSTIE:)
To all of you slagging off Graham and Terrence, you really dont know what you're talking about.
Neither of them have anything to do with this and are in the same boat as the rest of the crews... it was a complete shock to everyone!!! inc them!!!
My partner and I both work with them and they are highly thought of.
Its the higher powers that be that have made this decision so please dont get personal...... Eaac is made up of "older boys" and "younger blood" and its a great company to work for. Like any airline it has its ups and downs but thats the aviation industry... cut throat.
My partner has probably lost his job too and noone blames GJ or TH!
Stick to the point guys and stop bitching!
Neither of them have anything to do with this and are in the same boat as the rest of the crews... it was a complete shock to everyone!!! inc them!!!
My partner and I both work with them and they are highly thought of.
Its the higher powers that be that have made this decision so please dont get personal...... Eaac is made up of "older boys" and "younger blood" and its a great company to work for. Like any airline it has its ups and downs but thats the aviation industry... cut throat.
My partner has probably lost his job too and noone blames GJ or TH!
Stick to the point guys and stop bitching!
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I'm sorry but if you have ever worked for EAAC or still work for them, then this should be of no surprise to anyone! It's happen several times before & will continue to do so until the company no more.
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I agree with Airhostie. The two pilots in question are honest and honourable men and I have to say that I deprecate the growing tendency to name individuals on PPRuNe - it's axe-grinding of the worst kind.
I worked for EAAC for over seven years and it was a good airline in a good niche, staffed by wonderful people. Yes, there were problems and a lot of people ended up without jobs - including me - but that was due to head office, not the airline. I can't help thinking that if the Boss had put the time and effort into the airline that he wasted on F1, he would be sitting on top of one of the most vibrant outfits in the country.
As a quick aside to an earlier post, it's funny how the only people who knock Dan-Air are the ones who never worked there!
I worked for EAAC for over seven years and it was a good airline in a good niche, staffed by wonderful people. Yes, there were problems and a lot of people ended up without jobs - including me - but that was due to head office, not the airline. I can't help thinking that if the Boss had put the time and effort into the airline that he wasted on F1, he would be sitting on top of one of the most vibrant outfits in the country.
As a quick aside to an earlier post, it's funny how the only people who knock Dan-Air are the ones who never worked there!
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(Pirate) Yes, there were problems and a lot of people ended up without jobs - including me – but that was due to head office.
Clearly you were not amongst the privileged few then. Remind me where is this head office place then and who makes the decisions there?
(Pirate) I have to say that I deprecate the growing tendency to name individuals on PPRuNe - it's axe-grinding of the worst kind….
And then…
(Pirate) I can't help thinking that if the Boss had put the time and effort into the airline that he wasted on F1, he would be sitting on top of one of the most vibrant outfits in the country.
So it was the bosses fault (Without naming names of course). I will call him PS as I am incapable of spelling his name properly.
Now let me look into my crystal ball. “We are all in the same boat but what we will do is keep a couple of aircraft at BOH (oh that’s lucky all the management pilots are there) and a few hand picked crew”. I wonder who it will be? “Oh they were going to sack us as well but our names are on the AOC” That’s a tricky one to fix. Unfortunately we will have to get rid of the STN/BHX/MCT guys but we will get you back as soon as we can.
I worked for EAC for nearly 4 years. I left on my own accord so I have no axe to grind. I worked for charter companies before and after so I am qualified to judge. I am touched by your loyalty but amazed at your stupidity. For those still there neither of these traits will save there jobs. Its true that the slowest ausie in F1 sucks the money out of the company but the management is so bad that I am surprised there is any money for him to fritter on his whim.
Clearly you were not amongst the privileged few then. Remind me where is this head office place then and who makes the decisions there?
(Pirate) I have to say that I deprecate the growing tendency to name individuals on PPRuNe - it's axe-grinding of the worst kind….
And then…
(Pirate) I can't help thinking that if the Boss had put the time and effort into the airline that he wasted on F1, he would be sitting on top of one of the most vibrant outfits in the country.
So it was the bosses fault (Without naming names of course). I will call him PS as I am incapable of spelling his name properly.
Now let me look into my crystal ball. “We are all in the same boat but what we will do is keep a couple of aircraft at BOH (oh that’s lucky all the management pilots are there) and a few hand picked crew”. I wonder who it will be? “Oh they were going to sack us as well but our names are on the AOC” That’s a tricky one to fix. Unfortunately we will have to get rid of the STN/BHX/MCT guys but we will get you back as soon as we can.
I worked for EAC for nearly 4 years. I left on my own accord so I have no axe to grind. I worked for charter companies before and after so I am qualified to judge. I am touched by your loyalty but amazed at your stupidity. For those still there neither of these traits will save there jobs. Its true that the slowest ausie in F1 sucks the money out of the company but the management is so bad that I am surprised there is any money for him to fritter on his whim.
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Well said Pirate.
I too had several very enjoyable years with EAAC. To me, the most striking aspect of the Company was the 'can-do' attitude of just about everyone I met. If willingness could have been turned into cash, then EAAC would have been up there with the big boys. Unfortunately, the Company seemed to be long on 'good guys' and short on people with business 'nous'.
The only business plan that I could detect was:
1. Buy a number of aircraft on the cheap (type almost irrelevant).
2. Recruit crews and fly aircraft until both were on their knees.
3. 'Redund' the crews and sell the aircraft as spare parts.
4. Repeat.
The decision-makers (whoever they were) were intent on bean counting things like aircraft spares, yet were quite content to allow monumental waste through duff planning and poor house-keeping. Schemes that could have saved hundreds of thousands were offered and sidelined (not invented here?). So I guess any accusing finger has to point at most of the managers (nice guys that they are) as well as PGS. Or are we going allow the "not me guv, I was only following orders" style of defence?
Contrary to what most bean-counters seem to think, the real value of a company lies in its people rather than its machinery. If only EAAC's business plan had been built around that.
I too had several very enjoyable years with EAAC. To me, the most striking aspect of the Company was the 'can-do' attitude of just about everyone I met. If willingness could have been turned into cash, then EAAC would have been up there with the big boys. Unfortunately, the Company seemed to be long on 'good guys' and short on people with business 'nous'.
The only business plan that I could detect was:
1. Buy a number of aircraft on the cheap (type almost irrelevant).
2. Recruit crews and fly aircraft until both were on their knees.
3. 'Redund' the crews and sell the aircraft as spare parts.
4. Repeat.
The decision-makers (whoever they were) were intent on bean counting things like aircraft spares, yet were quite content to allow monumental waste through duff planning and poor house-keeping. Schemes that could have saved hundreds of thousands were offered and sidelined (not invented here?). So I guess any accusing finger has to point at most of the managers (nice guys that they are) as well as PGS. Or are we going allow the "not me guv, I was only following orders" style of defence?
Contrary to what most bean-counters seem to think, the real value of a company lies in its people rather than its machinery. If only EAAC's business plan had been built around that.
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