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99% of easyjet pilots reject pay offer

Old 20th Feb 2006, 17:45
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Now it is again!

Don't ya just lurve IT!!
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Old 20th Feb 2006, 20:13
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Why are you guys so desperate to log on to the website? To see by how many votes the pay "deal" was rejected??

I wish good luck with future negotiations, the whole industry is watching...
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 17:48
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I'm a Senior First Officer with EJ.

I have methodically gone through the figures.

1) Based on 600 sectors a year my net take home pay will not change. (Don't forget to subtract National Insurance in the calculations!).

2) The pension, as it stands, will see many people in "shock" when retirement beckons, their first monthly pension cheque falls through the letterbox and is compared with their very last pay cheque. Just ensure a) mortgage is repaid, b) kids are educated, c) kids are earning and in their own gaffs, d) you've had enough foreign holidays, e) your buddies are happy that you won't be joining them for the weekly beers, f) your vegetable plot is well fertilised, g) you know where to buy cheap.

3) Based on the current 5254 arrangement all of the above is probably irrelevant as you won't live to see it.

4) Minimum annual leave should be increased to 30 days - it's standard in most other industries.
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 19:44
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I see the roadshow is on its travels. I wonder how they are going to sell this one? Do they believe their own spin? Or are they on a different , yet to be disclosed, deal?
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 20:05
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The less we take the more they get!
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 20:18
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The ex Midland club on a sales drive ? Shame they have nothing to sell. Nice try with the coffee and croissants in STN the other morning but while our new boss has a salary before bonuses of £540,000, my pension remains a pitiful insult to the years of hard work I've put in.
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 21:18
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I don't see why you are unhappy. I'm a 35 year old Capt with EJ and based on the pension calculator i will retire with £ 12,000 PA.

burger king do a cheese burger for 99p. thats £6 per day for 3 square meals for me and the wife maybe even fries on a saturday or xmas.

you can keep BA. I know when I'm onto a good deal.
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 21:20
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Thumbs down

Believe me, not all of the ex midland chaps can be tarnished with the same brush here.

As it stands, I think the pay deal is Naff.

Only a fool would vote YES!
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 21:47
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There is no possibility of a YES vote as things stand - and our managers know it. There is a dispute right now over what the new deal means to different people in the light of the huge change that will come in regarding salary calculation. It has become apparent to everyone, including the Flt Ops management and the BALPA CC, that the company simply got the figures wrong. What was billed as a genuine 3.5% rise in salary has turned out not to be unless we make our maximum predicted bonus levels, which seems unlikely at this stage.

I have given considerable thought to this and some may regard me as naive in my take on what has happened. The truth is that no one really did the detailed sums as to what the figures would mean to the staggering 23 different pilot pay groupings that have emerged (not to mention the 4 sub-species of Training Captain)! There was a general calculation but no grand spreadsheet that would tell the whole truth for all groups. These spreadsheets are starting to appear now but there is disupte over the accuracy of the figures and as far as I know there is still no one big spreadsheet that covers the various permutations for all cases. We all fall into one of those 23 pay groupings (and 4 sub-groupings!) and, not surprisingly, have taken a considerable interest in our own little world. Gradually, each of us has seen how the proposed deal applies to ourselves but at this juncture no one (including the management) have a definitve grasp of every sub-group and combination. Unsurprsingly this has spread considerable uncertainty and confusion. I like to think of myself as tolerably numerate but trying to work out the permuations of possible bonus payments against numbers of sectors flown along with ASBYs, night stops, sim payments etc has really blown my mind!

There are clearly lessons to be learnt here about publishing such a radical restructuring without the full details to hand. Those lessons apply to both BALPA and management, but I personally do not believe that the ensuing confusion was intended (call me foolish I know!). Everyone knows that the devil is in the detail and over the next few days the detailed truth about the deal will emerge for us all to see. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a few bob more in the kitty and I believe a new offer (with a few necessary tweaks!) will be forthcoming. Only at that stage will we really know if this is 'smoke and mirrors' or a realistic attempt at dealing with the issues we are all grappling with.
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 22:17
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Dawn Raider,

Will I be able to pop round for a sniff of your chips? I match the company contribution, and mine will be worth £9800 (also in my thirties).

See you in B&Q.

If a deal is done on these terms, I'm off.
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 22:24
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Originally Posted by dawn raider
I don't see why you are unhappy. I'm a 35 year old Capt with EJ and based on the pension calculator i will retire with £ 12,000 PA.
burger king do a cheese burger for 99p. thats £6 per day for 3 square meals for me and the wife maybe even fries on a saturday or xmas.
you can keep BA. I know when I'm onto a good deal.
Thats a good un I laughed so much I have spilled my Maxwell House over the carpet.
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 22:48
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maxwell house coffee AND carpet ???

you must on the old A scale at cathay mate.
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 23:41
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This Pay deal and this company is a joke!

This months roster, 102hours, block.

Increase in productivity over the past few years from around 650hrs (so legend has it) to 900.

Pay rise and pension, effectively 0.

I want to see a proper bloody pay rise, not 3.5%. I want something that reflects how much harder we work these days. I'm talking double figures in salary and pension.

Leave increased to 30 days.

4 on 4 off.

If the fleet has to be grounded, so be it.

Surly we’ve had enough of these insulting offers.
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Old 22nd Feb 2006, 09:46
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Easyjet managers are like Members of Parliament.

You only get MP's at you door when they are nervous about your vote and worried about losing thei seats.
You only get managers in your crew room when they are nervous about your vote and worried about losing their bonuses.

Make sure you smile when you look into their eyes and tell them you will be voting NO.
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Old 22nd Feb 2006, 15:41
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Thumbs down

Good post as usual NSF.

It's all gone very quiet from BALPA? I really hope we all get to tick the NO box as this pityful roadshow is underway.

Don't worry people, the crew food will kill you before you get to see those pensions! Those frozen sarnies will clot your arteries just thinking about it!

What a nasty outfit easyJet has become.

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Old 22nd Feb 2006, 16:13
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This is a complete cluster **** from BALPA.

They recommend the deal.....OH wait a minute NO They don't but they won't say it formally. instead they sneak round the back of easyland and try and get a wee bit more...... while the managers are going round the network to sell the original deal (and they will.)

my prediction. managers sway the weak ones. the CC pull out a TINY TINY improvement in the sector equation and the vote goes through because everyone has lost any faith in the process.

a few voices will be vocal but as usual Flaps 1 and Colonel klink will come steaming back in gushing about how hard life is with the usual 'you do better - you don't know how hard my life is' nonsense they always use.

the CC have tried hard but have been roundly beaten. while this is bad enough the big loss will be the HUGE drop in BALPA membership. I've already apologised to the guy I forced to join.
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Old 22nd Feb 2006, 16:18
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Don't apologise. Advise him to vote NO. This will be a democratic vote. Rubbish like this will not be voted in.

This is going to be a long battle and will only be resolved when minds are concentrated by a vote for industrial action.
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Old 22nd Feb 2006, 20:38
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As an EX-easy pilot, can I suggest that those of you who who read PPRUNE point out the facts made clear on this thread to your colleagues. It's a crap deal FACT and many other companies will benchmark their pay on what you vote for. When I joined easy it had a great reputation among pilots. This has obviously changed as I'm not the only one to have left (by a longshot). I suggest you hold out and think about your retirement-or lack of it!
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Old 23rd Feb 2006, 09:39
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eire757, everyone knows this is a duff deal. I have not personally spoken to or heard of a single person who intends to vote YES and believe me I have looked for one! I am given to understand that in Germany there may be some confusion and the figures I have heard quoted are '50-50' in terms of the likely vote there. They are people who were literally facing a pay freeze followed by a pay cut - inevitably the proposed deal is a significant gain to them and is consequently more attractive. Added to that they have a far higher standard of living due to easier working conditions, favourable tax regimes and substantially cheaper costs of living. I hope that they will realise that the reason they have achieved the significant concessions they have is almost entirely due to the work of BALPA on their behalf. They are now required to step up to the plate and support their UK colleagues in ensuring a high percentage vote against the deal - I fully expect them to do so.
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Post The Orange goes sour.

is almost entirely due to the work of BALPA on their behalf.
Really, Norman? Perhaps they're so thrilled with the BALPA engineered 5-2/5-4 rostering fiasco they feel a tad disinclined to agree with you. Its interesting to note, though, that you seem to feel solidarity, whatever that is, is a reasonable expectation? To quote a wise old friend, you'll find more loyalty in a Bangkok whorehouse than you will among a group of pilots. Self interested to the core, which is a fact not lost on you, I'm sure, in your many years in the biz. While you're cooling off, here's some salutary reading from the Financial Times to put your 'struggle' in perspective. Seems the roadside breakdown chappie you have running your airline this week has his hands full! Wonder what Reykjavik makes of it all?


EasyJet sees losses rising on high fuel prices
By Kevin Done, Aerospace Correspondent
Published: February 22 2006 17:26 | Last updated: February 22 2006 17:26

EasyJet, the UK low cost airline, forecast on Wednesday a doubling of first-half pretax losses under the impact of higher fuel prices.
Traditionally the group makes all of its profits in the second half of its financial year from April to September. The airline said in a trading update that it was still planning to achieve “mid to high single-digit percentage profit growth” for the full year to the end of September.
Andrew Lobbenberg, aviation analyst at ABN Amro, EasyJet’s corporate broker, forecast a rise in pre-tax profits for the full year of 7 per cent from £82.6m to £88m.
For the first six months from October to March the airline forecast a rise in pre-tax losses from £22m to around £45m.
Unit fuel costs were expected to rise by 50 per cent in the first half leading to an additional charge of £55m. This would would wipe out the progress made in cutting non-fuel costs and in increasing ancillary revenues per passenger, which include higher online hotel bookings, travel insurance and car hire sales, where EasyJet receives commission earnings.
In the first quarter from October to December EasyJet revenues rose by 14 per cent from £279m to £319m. Passenger numbers rose by 11 per cent from 6.7m to 7.4m.
In the quarter unit costs excluding fuel fell by 5 per cent, but the rising fuel price caused total unit costs to rise by 3 per cent.
Sir Colin Chandler, EasyJet chairman, said that market conditions remained “tough” and the airline expected a slight reduction in unit passenger revenues for the year, as fare levels came under pressure.
For the full year EasyJet said that capacity measured by available seats would rise by around 15 per cent, as it continued to take delivery of a stream of new Airbus A319 aircraft.
The fleet is set to expand in three years from 109 aircraft at the end of last September to 154 aircraft by September 2008. EasyJet placed a firm order for 120 Airbus aircraft in December 2002 and has also started to exercise its purchase rights on additional aircraft including 20 more A319s between October 2008 and September 2009.
The airline is expanding its presence in Italy, in particular from its new base at Milan Malpensa airport and is also adding more routes from its Liverpool and Glasgow bases.
Last week EasyJet announced daily new routes from Glasgow to Alicante, Berlin-Schönefeld and Malaga and a weekly flight to Palma. This would bring the number of destinations served from Glasgow to nine and would increase its capacity at the base by 19 per cent.

The EasyJet share price fell by 5½p or 1.4 per cent to close at 384½p.
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