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99% of easyjet pilots reject pay offer

Old 12th Feb 2006, 12:37
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here in lies the problem.

The less sectors you work, the greater the % pay rise.

450 = 3.2%
500 = 2.5 %
525 = 1.5%
545 = 0%

Its all a matter of where you decide the starting point is.

I wonder what the average sectors flown last year.
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Old 12th Feb 2006, 14:08
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Common targets are the same targets as in, they are not different.

...........at that I'll leave it!!
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Old 12th Feb 2006, 14:44
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Target's -schmarget's.

..... "he wouldn't let it lie"......

Come-on ladies.
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Old 12th Feb 2006, 19:52
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it is academic what sectors we flew last year.

What is important is what they have planned for us this year.

pilot shortage, conversion coures etc. its not gonna be pretty.
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Old 12th Feb 2006, 22:31
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Exclamation

Are they going to change the requirements for the TRSS and payment regarding experience? Also, this difference in between SFO and FO- isn't it strange that a pilot with more than 3000hrs and a earlier command gets a FO whilst a pilot with 1000hrs gets a SFO? There's a big difference in the payroll for the same job and difference in the experience as well...

Anybody familiar with this "problem"?

Just curious, I might get a job for easy but reading on the website, I first read I would get £ 33000/year. Later with the TRSS £27000. Big difference. And the SFO gets even more (in this case with much less flying experience)

Comments, anyone?

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Old 12th Feb 2006, 22:42
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AGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Having checked last years rosters, average 60 sectors per month including leave months so over 700 sectors ( regional base) Actually already done 100 secotrs on 06..... Feeling here is we have been COMPLETELY shafted and are taking pay cut....

The vote must be NO..................... THIS IS A CRUCIAL TIME FOR BALPA AND EZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12th Feb 2006, 23:52
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500 sectors per year is a pipedream. I'm doing 60 a month even when i have leave. For me this is a NO brainer. This deal is an old tart in a new skirt. The same old tart everybody knocked back before christmas. Anyone who really believes the cack about performance related bonuses needs a reality check. We won't see a penny of it. That leaves an inflationary payrise at best. Not what I spent the last few months recruiting people into BALPA for. Knock it back and lets go a stage further. Never has the time been more appropriate to force an issue because never before has there been such high representation in the company. If this gets a yes vote the membership will once again dwindle. Count on it.
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 05:15
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Thumbs down

what do you think of the Milan deal?

As soon as people are in Milan on temporary contract, management will offer second rate contracts:
This is an open door to abuse of recruiting first in Milan with lower wages, Airport Standby, positionning back to UK or other european bases for operating at a lower cost and ultimatly dragging salaries down...Pay deal for Milan must be identical to other bases
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 08:12
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Originally Posted by bugle
what do you think of the Milan deal?
As soon as people are in Milan on temporary contract, management will offer second rate contracts:
This is an open door to abuse of recruiting first in Milan with lower wages, Airport Standby, positionning back to UK or other european bases for operating at a lower cost and ultimatly dragging salaries down...Pay deal for Milan must be identical to other bases
I agree with you bugle, this is a major disapointment! I can´t believe that BALPA are so naive to firstly help EZY set up the MXP base and then (by helping them) will pave the way for a different contract!

As we´ve seen with 5-2-5-4, you can´t negotiate with EZY management in good faith and I.O.U.´s!
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 11:16
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How on earth did Balpa help set up the MXP base?

Balpa stopped them trying to recruit on much lower terms and, as I read this, it is an interim arrangement to try and re-dress that incorrect perception/balance.

Also bear in mind that, contrary to company opinion, some overseas bases may well deserve a higher salary because of different social security/health arrangements so continuing to discuss should be a good thing.
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 11:34
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Angry

Let's just stop all discussion here and on BALPA website on this offer. It is an insult.

Just vote NO.

No more talk.
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 11:57
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Hello all,

Having looked at this deal for the past 3 days it's definately a NO for me.

As a SFO who's on 40,584 basic now, I should be getting a basic of at least :

40,584 + 3.5% = 42,004
Loyalty Bonus 5% = 2,100 (I'm currently not getting a loyalty bonus)
Sectorpay Taxed = 3,216 (600 factored sectors, 750 actual in 2005)
Sim + recurrent = 129
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Total basic = 47,449

That's what I should be getting, they're offering 44,990, so NO thank you.

What will happen with airbus course allowances? mileage?
For captains the deals is probably even worse as they currently get more cash for nightstops and ground trainig duties compared to the new deal.

Taxfree sectorpay increased from 7.50 to 7.80, a massive 30 Pence more, if they increased this to 10 pounds, then I might think twice about the offer.

Performance related bonus? Come on, get real...this is something that would be nice to get, but I would never include this into actually calculating how much this deal is worth.

Pension, hmm...still 7%.....yes the basic has gone up, so for me it's 310 pounds more per year. No idea what the salary exchange is actually worth...so until someone explains how it works I'm disregarding that.

I really wonder why BALPA think that this is good deal, I don't see it, all the other people I've spoken too don't see it....what is it that we're missing?

PS: FlapsOne, I would have imagined that as you have dealt with EZY-management that you would understand....EZY-managers will never consider 'COMMON' to be equal to 'THE SAME'.
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 12:09
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The Tax free element of sector pay is controlled by the Inland revenue (or whatever their new name is) and any attempt to change it beyond RPI would have been stopped by them. The company and Balpa have no control over it.

Common does mean the same and is not open to other interpretation from any manager group.

BBow - If I read your post correctly you didn't add 600*£7.80 tax free to your 'offer' figure (assuming the same amount of sectors). Is that not another £4680 tax free on top of the figure you quoted?
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 12:42
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Flaps, He didn't include it because the untaxed portion of both almost cancel each other out! The only thing missed out is £0.30 / sector nett increase (£7.50 to £7.80, around £180 for the year for 600 sectors!) which would mean new deal = £45080 (slightly more if you could include the tax on the sector pay), current pay £47449 (£45349 if you take out the 5% bonus he put in, but doesn't get and is still more than the 'new' deal). Doesn't look like a 'win' to me! Why would he want to change? Anyway, if BBOW's calcs are wrong where is BALPA's irrefutable evidence that this is a better deal than what we were offered last time? Surely they must have run this stuff through a spreadsheet down at Balpa HQ. The bigger numbers look good, but it is a sham when put under close scrutiny.

Any of you blokes bought a second hand car?

If you can't understand the deal then it probably won't work out in your favour! Walk away and find a deal that you can understand!
If we can't figure out if this is a good deal or not then it probably isn't.

Save yourselves a whole lot of stress, vote No and get them to table a deal that we can all understand, and is clearly better than the original deal we said NO to!
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 13:31
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I'm not an easy pilot.I am therefore relatively impartial. It was a good company, but is no longer, FACT! Anyone who votes yes to this deal is doing there colleagues both in easy and in other companies a great dis-service. The company is richer than ever, and in real terms they are offering you a pay cut! They are also doing the same to the cabin crew I might add. Why on earth would you vote yes. The reason pilots used to get paid so well is because the union took no from management. Why are we backing down all of a sudden? I would suggest that if you are under 50 years of age, you consider how much you are going to earn in real terms aged 60, let alone if youre 30 odd with 30+ years to go. Get real guys. you must stand together, BALPA is recognised officially by the company. You have absolutely NO EXCUSES!
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 13:40
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Dictionary definition of EASY:
• adjective (easier, easiest) 1 achieved without great effort; presenting few difficulties. 2 free from worry or problems. 3 lacking anxiety or awkwardness.
Nothing in this pile of orange pap could be further from the truth. Every single missive to come out of the glorious orange hut has to be shrouded in bullsh*t. They must be partying behind the scenes over this one. I thought BALPA had some clout these days? The only thing easy in Easyjet is the way the management can manipulate the workforce.
Next we'll be hearing that 5254 is being improved to 5253 as the last of the 4 days off is have a detrimental effect on performance on the 1st early. This isn't negotiable because an undergraduate from Blackpool Poly said so in the pub last week. To mitigate the loss of day 4 the company will graciously provide a system of non flying duty days. This is on the understanding that you will be required to fly on 97.6% of these.
This wasn't supposed to be rocket science. A fair pay rise ,fair pension and no change to the loyality bonus ACROSS THE BOARD. What is on the table is no better than it was 3 months ago. See through it and sort it out!
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 14:05
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Actually Bilge it doesn't . I would imagine that Easyjet Balpa membership will decline markedly If we get lumbered with this lemon.The silent Balpa majority commited us to our much maligned rostering pattern last year based on a recommendation to accept. If the same happens now I'm sure we'll lose many of our recent converts and maybe a few old timers too.
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 14:23
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Thumbs down man the barricades!

If we are daft enough to accept this deal, we deserve to be shaf ed.

No brainer-this is NO deal. Dress up the figures in any form of clothing you may wish;it's still Cinderella-before she meets the fairy Godmother.....

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Old 13th Feb 2006, 14:51
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Calculator says NO!
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 16:44
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I agree. It's a NO from me also.

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