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Yeah thanks for the correction! I strive to prefection but typo errors are still possible especially since English isn't my first language (you try dutch for a change).
I'm not the one getting shirty. I'm not a very active member on PPRUNE but I do read the occasional Easy topic. It just strikes me that your posts always have the same message ie. how bad easy is and how great your life is now and that more and more people should do the same as you have done.
We are all adults and very capable in making our own decisions in life thanks very much.
I had a feeling it was you on my typerating back then. The more ironic the situation is since you're back with the company that once made you redundant. Like going back to the ex that cheated on you........
No hard feelings at all from my side and I'm happy that life is treating you well at your new company but so is my life at Easy (no, they never promised me a AMS base altough I would still like one
) but I think you've by now made your point crystal clear.
All the best!
I'm not the one getting shirty. I'm not a very active member on PPRUNE but I do read the occasional Easy topic. It just strikes me that your posts always have the same message ie. how bad easy is and how great your life is now and that more and more people should do the same as you have done.
We are all adults and very capable in making our own decisions in life thanks very much.
I had a feeling it was you on my typerating back then. The more ironic the situation is since you're back with the company that once made you redundant. Like going back to the ex that cheated on you........
No hard feelings at all from my side and I'm happy that life is treating you well at your new company but so is my life at Easy (no, they never promised me a AMS base altough I would still like one
) but I think you've by now made your point crystal clear.All the best!
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Well said Dutch - CSDU you shoud read some of your posts, who for example opened up an old EZY post on T and C?.
Especially after being made redundant you should be grateful that EZY gave you a job and paid the mortgage. Problem is the short memory factor. You moved on, well done.
Especially after being made redundant you should be grateful that EZY gave you a job and paid the mortgage. Problem is the short memory factor. You moved on, well done.
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I'll eat humble pie and wind my neck in. Dutch, I am not trying to give people advice but pass on my experiences. Anyway, twelve of us did the type rating together and more than half have now left the company. enjoy easy!
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Ok you two, stop it!
I can understand both of you. If Dutch is happy in EZY than I´m happy for him, but truth is that a lot of people are not very happy and that´s what this thread is about.
CSDU is, like he says, just describing his feelings towards EZY, nothing wrong with that. I´m happy that he is also doing well in his new job.
Just speaking for myself, I´m not too unhappy in EZY, however I do recognize a downward trend vector in T & C´s so I´m also looking around for a company with a bit more of a long term strategy towards it´s staff.
I can understand both of you. If Dutch is happy in EZY than I´m happy for him, but truth is that a lot of people are not very happy and that´s what this thread is about.
CSDU is, like he says, just describing his feelings towards EZY, nothing wrong with that. I´m happy that he is also doing well in his new job.
Just speaking for myself, I´m not too unhappy in EZY, however I do recognize a downward trend vector in T & C´s so I´m also looking around for a company with a bit more of a long term strategy towards it´s staff.
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As said before, at the moment with 5/4/5/2 i can appreciate lifestyle has become very base dependent.
Having been based at LGW as well, I can imagine it to be a lot harder than for example in DTM where the lifestyle is very much protected.
I always find a lot of people say that they r leaving and life is **** but than again before you leave, put on paper what you've got now and compare the facts. The grass is always greener......
but analyse carefully what you leave behind before movin' on.
All the best
Having been based at LGW as well, I can imagine it to be a lot harder than for example in DTM where the lifestyle is very much protected.
I always find a lot of people say that they r leaving and life is **** but than again before you leave, put on paper what you've got now and compare the facts. The grass is always greener......
but analyse carefully what you leave behind before movin' on.
All the best
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''The thing most people are forgetting is that the only bases that really have a sheit lifestyle are them around the London area.
Most other boys seem to be reasonably happy.......''
yeah right. NCL, BFS, EMA, knackered and leaving in their droves.
Most other boys seem to be reasonably happy.......''
yeah right. NCL, BFS, EMA, knackered and leaving in their droves.
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Flaps .... read what you said..
"It's so easy to lose track of fact and fiction on this forum"..... "Everyone is now leaving, but I've only met 3 of them."
Next time you go into the crewroom at LGW remove your blinkers and you'll see more!!
CatIIIB, apologise if you took what I said wrongly.
Here at LGW many of us also commute to further places ... ( See JP letter, if you can stomach it), and have had to change bases to get command then move back. We know how it feels.
4on4off .... really, come and listen ... guys are from all different backgrounds and many airlines ... we are all p*$$ed off. Nothing to do with airlines before .... and how many airlines should we be with before we can voice our opinion's??
The management must realise that the company is nearly at meltdown with the pilot work force. At LGW the only talk is that of other airlines, interviews etc from both sides of the cockpit.
We seem to be the only base that does not like the 5254 roster system, I can't really believe that. Since the management are not listening, the only thing we can do is now raise CHIRP's which is happening a lot now about fatigue, i urge other bases to follow suit as the only way to stop 5254 is via 'other' means.
As for BALPA, well ... when they produce the goods I will join. I heard all the quotes about a strong union presence since i joined ... and yet, each year we get shafted further with the help the CC full support.
Times are changing, work to rule is not in force but discreation is now a thing of the past for many, there is no good will.
We need a good pay deal, pay... pension.... lol ..... roster system .... treated like professional's ......
Pay deal around the corner, new MD, Flaps out of the CC ..... it could work. ....
.... Lets see.
FlyingOrange ...... but for how much longer??
"It's so easy to lose track of fact and fiction on this forum"..... "Everyone is now leaving, but I've only met 3 of them."
Next time you go into the crewroom at LGW remove your blinkers and you'll see more!!
CatIIIB, apologise if you took what I said wrongly.
Here at LGW many of us also commute to further places ... ( See JP letter, if you can stomach it), and have had to change bases to get command then move back. We know how it feels.
4on4off .... really, come and listen ... guys are from all different backgrounds and many airlines ... we are all p*$$ed off. Nothing to do with airlines before .... and how many airlines should we be with before we can voice our opinion's??
The management must realise that the company is nearly at meltdown with the pilot work force. At LGW the only talk is that of other airlines, interviews etc from both sides of the cockpit.
We seem to be the only base that does not like the 5254 roster system, I can't really believe that. Since the management are not listening, the only thing we can do is now raise CHIRP's which is happening a lot now about fatigue, i urge other bases to follow suit as the only way to stop 5254 is via 'other' means.
As for BALPA, well ... when they produce the goods I will join. I heard all the quotes about a strong union presence since i joined ... and yet, each year we get shafted further with the help the CC full support.
Times are changing, work to rule is not in force but discreation is now a thing of the past for many, there is no good will.
We need a good pay deal, pay... pension.... lol ..... roster system .... treated like professional's ......
Pay deal around the corner, new MD, Flaps out of the CC ..... it could work. ....
.... Lets see.
FlyingOrange ...... but for how much longer??
Flying Orange,
If you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Your entire contribution to improving conditions at EZY is whinging here on PPRUNE. If there is a mass exodis to better jobs, what are you still doing there? If for your own reasons you choose to stay, you have no case for complaint if you choose not to be part of the only process able to improve things.
Two questions- 1) In what way does NOT being in BALPA help things?
2) Did you "Like" 6/3?
If you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Your entire contribution to improving conditions at EZY is whinging here on PPRUNE. If there is a mass exodis to better jobs, what are you still doing there? If for your own reasons you choose to stay, you have no case for complaint if you choose not to be part of the only process able to improve things.
Two questions- 1) In what way does NOT being in BALPA help things?
2) Did you "Like" 6/3?
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As for BALPA, well ... when they produce the goods I will join
That's just like saying, "I won't play in the match but I'll be there at the party if we win."
Ut Sementem Feeceris
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As for BALPA, well ... when they produce the goods I will join. I heard all the quotes about a strong union presence since i joined ... and yet, each year we get shafted further with the help the CC full support.
New CC members now.
So Flying Orange - are you going to join BALPA and give them your backing to try and improve everyones lot at eJ or are you just going to let everyone else pay and reap the benefits?
Putting it bluntly, would you go into a pub and sit down at someone elses table and help yourself to their beer / food? Why not?
Don't whine if YOU are not prepared to put YOUR money where your mouth is. BALPA isn't perfect but you must realise it's the only option we have. A better deal for the pilots will work BOTH ways if it can stem the supposedly high (or potentially high) attrition rate.
Put up or shut up.
A4
As for BALPA, well ... when they produce the goods I will join. I heard all the quotes about a strong union presence since i joined ... and yet, each year we get shafted further with the help the CC full support.
New CC members now.
So Flying Orange - are you going to join BALPA and give them your backing to try and improve everyones lot at eJ or are you just going to let everyone else pay and reap the benefits?
Putting it bluntly, would you go into a pub and sit down at someone elses table and help yourself to their beer / food? Why not?
Don't whine if YOU are not prepared to put YOUR money where your mouth is. BALPA isn't perfect but you must realise it's the only option we have. A better deal for the pilots will work BOTH ways if it can stem the supposedly high (or potentially high) attrition rate.
Put up or shut up.
A4
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Carp, carp, carp - you have brought this on yourselves!
Just a little message to all the eJ folks who are carping like mad:
You have brought this on yourselves. You thought it was big and clever to devalue this profession and prostitute yourselves for the promises of big money and early commands.
What have you got instead? An employer that treats you no better than farm animals and is trying to work you all into the ground.
No seniority lists? Masonic meritocracy? Leave if you want, but welcome to the bottom of everyone else's seniority lists when you do.
You have made yourselves the laughing stock of the profession. Your management now successfully "divide and rule" at will.
For the record, I have never applied. I never would. No bargepole would be long enough to put distance between me and your operation.
Gentlemen, you have brought this on yourselves.
You have brought this on yourselves. You thought it was big and clever to devalue this profession and prostitute yourselves for the promises of big money and early commands.
What have you got instead? An employer that treats you no better than farm animals and is trying to work you all into the ground.
No seniority lists? Masonic meritocracy? Leave if you want, but welcome to the bottom of everyone else's seniority lists when you do.
You have made yourselves the laughing stock of the profession. Your management now successfully "divide and rule" at will.
For the record, I have never applied. I never would. No bargepole would be long enough to put distance between me and your operation.
Gentlemen, you have brought this on yourselves.
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The problem I and a lot of other people have with ezy Balpa is their idea of what represents a good deal. In my years at ezy every deal placed before the voters has been highly recommended by Balpa. Vote yes is the message always given by Balpa. Great deal etc.
Well, I always voted no, thinking a strong group would vote no for something better to be offered. And yet it's always a yes vote.
Why? Because b*&^*y Balpa recommended it.
It would be great if Balpa had the gumph to say the deal sucks, vote no, and lets get a better one. But they never do, or is it can't do?
Ezy is now a very large outfit, with loads of diverse bases.
The guys based around London live in some of the most expensive parts of the UK, work the longest hours and get paid the same as those in Germany who live in far less expensive real estate. That's the way the dice rolls, fair enough for our German colleagues.
But maybe it's time for individual bases to have their own pilot body/group representing their interests?
Is this legal and practical? I don't know. But it would be nice to have an extra disposable grand a month and not move to Germany to get it.
Let the slating begin.
Well, I always voted no, thinking a strong group would vote no for something better to be offered. And yet it's always a yes vote.
Why? Because b*&^*y Balpa recommended it.
It would be great if Balpa had the gumph to say the deal sucks, vote no, and lets get a better one. But they never do, or is it can't do?
Ezy is now a very large outfit, with loads of diverse bases.
The guys based around London live in some of the most expensive parts of the UK, work the longest hours and get paid the same as those in Germany who live in far less expensive real estate. That's the way the dice rolls, fair enough for our German colleagues.
But maybe it's time for individual bases to have their own pilot body/group representing their interests?
Is this legal and practical? I don't know. But it would be nice to have an extra disposable grand a month and not move to Germany to get it.
Let the slating begin.