British Airways DEP Selection - THE lowdown Part 1
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BA recruitment open as of 0015hrs. A320 or 747 TRs only.
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You will need:
- A current type rating on the Airbus A320 series, a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F) and a minimum of 500 hrs recent experience on type
or - A current type rating on the Boeing 747-400, a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL and a minimum of 2000 flying hours to include 500 hours recent experience on the 747-400. Please note that a full type rating is required and 'cruise only' ratings are therefore not acceptable for this scheme
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BA will tell you what aircraft (and hence base) you're on when they call you to offer you a contract/start date. You get paid your basic from the day you join (although not in advance, at the end of the month as per normal). There are some allowances to be claimed (can't remember what) but they definitely won't be anything like your normal monthly variable pay. Basic monthly gross pay on shorthaul & longhaul PP1 is approx £4100.
Pre-2006 the head of pilot recruitment said they needed to 'get 5 years out of a pilot' to make it worth their while, so even back then a mid 40s applicant would have been fine. There are a great number of silver haired 2 stripers milling around, which I think proves they won't discriminate based on age. Good luck!
It'll be interesting to see if they get enough TR'd 747 applicants to meet the demand. 20-30 required, 1/10 pass rate for selection - my calculator tells me they'll need 200-300 applicants. Where will they come from?
Pre-2006 the head of pilot recruitment said they needed to 'get 5 years out of a pilot' to make it worth their while, so even back then a mid 40s applicant would have been fine. There are a great number of silver haired 2 stripers milling around, which I think proves they won't discriminate based on age. Good luck!
It'll be interesting to see if they get enough TR'd 747 applicants to meet the demand. 20-30 required, 1/10 pass rate for selection - my calculator tells me they'll need 200-300 applicants. Where will they come from?
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I see what you say BusDriverLHR. It seems unimaginable that their are 200-300 odd 744 rated (and current) applicants out there. Yet I find it strange that BA are recruiting directly to the 747. I thought there would have been a lot of internal competition; which there probably is. Yet a fresh 744 rating (with a base check to boot) is a pretty large cost at the end of the day.
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The problem is that the training department is getting maxed out.
I understand that the company has satisfied all internal bids for the P2 on the 744. They have even let some guys move before their engagement freeze has expired (i.e. within 5 yrs of joining). The next phase would be to let some move before their equipment freeze has expired (i.e 4yrs on type). Company does not want to do that as that would mean 2 lots of training (one course on the 744 and another on the A320 for their replacement). By going directly for those with a type rating they only have to do the one 744 course
The problem is that the training department is getting maxed out.
I understand that the company has satisfied all internal bids for the P2 on the 744. They have even let some guys move before their engagement freeze has expired (i.e. within 5 yrs of joining). The next phase would be to let some move before their equipment freeze has expired (i.e 4yrs on type). Company does not want to do that as that would mean 2 lots of training (one course on the 744 and another on the A320 for their replacement). By going directly for those with a type rating they only have to do the one 744 course
Job Details
Direct Entry Pilot Scheme
Ref UKLHR1218
Region UK - Heathrow
Location London - Heathrow
Category
Job Description
Closing Date: 29th April 2011
The Direct Entry Pilot Scheme is for experienced high calibre pilots who want to develop their careers with one of the most progressive international airlines in the business.
Principal Accountabilities
You will need:
* A current type rating on the Airbus A320 series, a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F) and a minimum of 500 hrs recent experience on type
or
* A current type rating on the Boeing 747-400, a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL and a minimum of 2000 flying hours to include 500 hours recent experience on the 747-400. Please note that a full type rating is required and 'cruise only' ratings are therefore not acceptable for this scheme
Please ensure you have these hours now, at the point of application. For your information recency is:- flown on one of the above type(s) within the last 12 months.
The Individual
* You will have a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F) applicable for A320
* You will have a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL applicable for 747-400
* You will need a first class flying record and a good level of physical fitness
* You will demonstrate evidence of leadership, intellect, resilience, reliability, adaptability, high personal standards, motivation and flexibility, together with well developed customer service skills and the ability to build strong working relationships
* You will be physically fit and in possession of a JAA/UK CAA Medical Licence (Class 1) and able to satisfy British Airways medical requirements. Please note that British Airways’ medical criteria for employment is of a higher standard than the CAA requirement
* Height between 1.57m (5'2") and 1.91m (6'3") with weight in proportion to height (height is accurately determined during the assessment process). Qualified pilots who are taller than 1.91m may submit an application but will be required to undergo a functionality check to confirm their ability to meet the requirements of the seating positions in the British Airways fleet of aircraft
* You will have fluency in spoken and written English
Application Process
All applicants are required to answer the following questions, each within 250 words. Please prepare your answers in advance.
* What are the behaviours that demonstrate your motivation and commitment to your current employer and your customers?
* Give a recent example of when you have made an important decision. Consider the sources of information you used to make your decision, how you prioritised your actions and how you influenced others to implement your decision
* Give an example of when you have been involved in a major change in the work environment. How did you adapt to this and what did you learn?
* Explain the competitive threat facing British Airways at present. Describe how you, in the role of Flight Crew, can contribute to the overall success of the busines
Direct Entry Pilot Scheme
Ref UKLHR1218
Region UK - Heathrow
Location London - Heathrow
Category
Job Description
Closing Date: 29th April 2011
The Direct Entry Pilot Scheme is for experienced high calibre pilots who want to develop their careers with one of the most progressive international airlines in the business.
Principal Accountabilities
You will need:
* A current type rating on the Airbus A320 series, a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F) and a minimum of 500 hrs recent experience on type
or
* A current type rating on the Boeing 747-400, a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL and a minimum of 2000 flying hours to include 500 hours recent experience on the 747-400. Please note that a full type rating is required and 'cruise only' ratings are therefore not acceptable for this scheme
Please ensure you have these hours now, at the point of application. For your information recency is:- flown on one of the above type(s) within the last 12 months.
The Individual
* You will have a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F) applicable for A320
* You will have a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL applicable for 747-400
* You will need a first class flying record and a good level of physical fitness
* You will demonstrate evidence of leadership, intellect, resilience, reliability, adaptability, high personal standards, motivation and flexibility, together with well developed customer service skills and the ability to build strong working relationships
* You will be physically fit and in possession of a JAA/UK CAA Medical Licence (Class 1) and able to satisfy British Airways medical requirements. Please note that British Airways’ medical criteria for employment is of a higher standard than the CAA requirement
* Height between 1.57m (5'2") and 1.91m (6'3") with weight in proportion to height (height is accurately determined during the assessment process). Qualified pilots who are taller than 1.91m may submit an application but will be required to undergo a functionality check to confirm their ability to meet the requirements of the seating positions in the British Airways fleet of aircraft
* You will have fluency in spoken and written English
Application Process
All applicants are required to answer the following questions, each within 250 words. Please prepare your answers in advance.
* What are the behaviours that demonstrate your motivation and commitment to your current employer and your customers?
* Give a recent example of when you have made an important decision. Consider the sources of information you used to make your decision, how you prioritised your actions and how you influenced others to implement your decision
* Give an example of when you have been involved in a major change in the work environment. How did you adapt to this and what did you learn?
* Explain the competitive threat facing British Airways at present. Describe how you, in the role of Flight Crew, can contribute to the overall success of the busines
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Re the company not meeting its requirement for direct entry Airbus drivers.
I find operating out of T5 very pleasant in-part because my colleague and I invariably place the same emphasis on verbalising threat awareness, SA, gottchas etc etc all in the context of having a laugh as we go.
Given that they were swamped with bona fide applications from all over the world it must have been tempting for them to alter their entry requirements just to make the numbers work.
That they didnt do this, I take to mean the selection process remains as watertight as is poss and that those who get through share the BA mindset. Its NOT better, its just different and difficult to put into words.
I find operating out of T5 very pleasant in-part because my colleague and I invariably place the same emphasis on verbalising threat awareness, SA, gottchas etc etc all in the context of having a laugh as we go.
Given that they were swamped with bona fide applications from all over the world it must have been tempting for them to alter their entry requirements just to make the numbers work.
That they didnt do this, I take to mean the selection process remains as watertight as is poss and that those who get through share the BA mindset. Its NOT better, its just different and difficult to put into words.
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The questions asked in the intial letter dictated who got the first interviews/sims and who the HR department considered most suitable. Hence the highest proportion of 'passes' was expected at the start and then to gradually decline. From what I know the pass rates have been quite high but still many falling at the sim stage and that proportion of failures is also expected to increase.
Thus, irrespective of the number of applicants, the number of 'suitable' (great HR word!) successful applicants is expected to decrease over time so to keep options open and the standards to the required level the taps have been opened again.
It's a tough world but, at the moment, the airline can pick and choose.
Good luck.
Thus, irrespective of the number of applicants, the number of 'suitable' (great HR word!) successful applicants is expected to decrease over time so to keep options open and the standards to the required level the taps have been opened again.
It's a tough world but, at the moment, the airline can pick and choose.
Good luck.
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No Sponsor beat me to the question. I'm 737 rated with a selection day booked in April. Any word on whether 73 guys are still getting through to start in the very near future or is it a swim in the pool for them?
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I may be wrong (quite often are) but I thought that this second advert is for additional pilots over and above the original 80. Those 80 were 737/320 and the process is still going on. This second group will increase the total number but only on the 320 and additionally a new requirement for the 744.
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The original requirement was for 80/90 pilots but this was later increased to about 140. We are looking at 20/30 747 DEPs so you could guess around 30 more Airbus recruits needed?
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I assume if you applied in Nov and didn't get an interview, you're ineligible for this round of recruitment?
"Should you wish to re-apply for a similar position again in the future, please note we cannot accept another application within one year. "
"Should you wish to re-apply for a similar position again in the future, please note we cannot accept another application within one year. "
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What about the B777? Do medium haul BA pilots choose the B777 over the Jumbo which would explain why the DEP positions are all on the Jumbo?
Also can any one tell me how much time you have to wait for if you fail at Day1 or Sim assessment?
Thanks
Also can any one tell me how much time you have to wait for if you fail at Day1 or Sim assessment?
Thanks
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Just guessing:
BA has brought some 744 airframes back from the desert, so extra pilots needed on the Fleet?
Change at the top of the 744 seniority list - it's generally a more senior/older fleet than the 777, maybe some of the very senior 744 pilots are going part time or even leaving, more so than on the 777?
Just guessing:
BA has brought some 744 airframes back from the desert, so extra pilots needed on the Fleet?
Change at the top of the 744 seniority list - it's generally a more senior/older fleet than the 777, maybe some of the very senior 744 pilots are going part time or even leaving, more so than on the 777?
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What about the B777?
For a good number of years in BA the 744 has been the premium fleet where the most senior pilots migrate to. The last couple of years has seen shift towards the 777, so some of those 744 vacancies have been created by existing 744 pilots moving to the 777.
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Interesting, 320 or 744(!?) rated only. That'll be some vacancies at ez coming up then. Can't see where else all those 320 rated bods are coming from
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At my day 1 there was a wide selection of people from Qatar, Astraeus, Tiger, BMI, and Monarch. Mind you, that was back in December. If 1500 have indeed failed, then surely the supply of suitable rated 320 individuals must run dry reasonably soon? Vacancies at Easy Jet will just be filled with CTC cadets.
I presume the 744 rated people will be from GSS, Cargo Lux, ACG, Air Atlanta, Virgin, plus all the Europeans working for the likes of Jade and Air China. Easy to get 200-300 applicants for that, one would have thought.
If you fail any part of the selection process (including not progressing from application form to Day 1) you can't fill out another application for 11 months, and you must not attend another day 1 until 12 months has elapsed.
I presume the 744 rated people will be from GSS, Cargo Lux, ACG, Air Atlanta, Virgin, plus all the Europeans working for the likes of Jade and Air China. Easy to get 200-300 applicants for that, one would have thought.
If you fail any part of the selection process (including not progressing from application form to Day 1) you can't fill out another application for 11 months, and you must not attend another day 1 until 12 months has elapsed.
Guys/Gals, BA have opened their selection again, so lets apply before they close it all again. Good luck all!