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British Airways DEP Selection - THE lowdown Part 1

Old 3rd Nov 2011, 12:35
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Sim date 16th Nov

Hi guys and girls,

I have a sim date for 06:00 on 16th Nov, if anyone else has this session too please PM me to swap details.

Look forward to hearing from you.

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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 12:41
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Hi OBK - 2800h, 1300 on jet transport... vnav speed
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out of interest, is there anyone else out there who has still not heard anything? or is it just me?!?!?
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"Recruitment freeze" ?? Skyrocket - now you are scaring me... wonder what happens if I'm not in by April ... would I have to reapply?
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Hold Pool

In the hold pool since early June. (Sim check late May) Nearly 4k hrs all Airbus A320 family.

Just need to be patient......

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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 16:09
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Yep same as you yak-yak, in the hold pool since May. Almost 3500hrs on the Airbus..... Lets hope its soon!!!

Good Luck all!
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 18:48
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Things have gone very quiet internally and there is suddenly a lot of spare capacity in the sim, which two months ago was very rare. This indicates that training capacity is less of an issue. However, the freeze in recruitment could be for a number of reasons and you have to take into consideration a number of other factors, such as forward bookings being down (although premium loads are still good), lgw fleet replacement decision delayed until next June and then there are the numerous rumours circulating re. BMI and the possible implications of any tie up. Hopefully things will become much clearer in the next few weeks.
I don't mean to be horrid here, however I think SkyRocket10 could be on to something here; unfortunately. Things have suddenly went mysteriously quiet. Initially everyone believed delays were inevitable due to a capacity issue within the BA training department. Others had suggested that the finalisation of bids for fleet transfer were taking precedence over DEPs. The bidding is now complete and indeed finalised, so I believe. It comes with little comfort that the eurozone is teetering. I would imagine there is now a slight ere of caution. That and the rumours with regards to bmi. If such a deal were to go ahead, how would it be integrated? Are BA just after their much coveted slots at LHR, or is it more? I haven't heard of too many people being offered start dates. Where are the much discussed January and February courses? I personally know one person who has been in the hold pool since late spring and has heard little to nothing. They qualify for both the LH and SH DEP scheme.

Its all quite disconcerting. I hope that it amounts to little more than people just being a tiny bit paranoid!! After all the need for 800 pilots over 4 years cant simply go away, can it? And people are still pitching up for day 1 and day 2 assessments at Braincrank so I believe?
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 20:10
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Ive just been put into the pool, so the recruitment cogs are still turning!

However I am slightly worried that a purchase of BMI could mean that all my hard work over the last 6 months or so comes to nothing.....

IAG are announcing their quarterly results tomorrow, rumour is they will be announcing the details of the purchase of BMI too.

As skyrocket said, things will become clearer soon.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 03:17
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If IAG purchase BMI, surely it will be a complete purchase, pilots plus aircraft. So one would think this would nullify the impact of BMI pilots on recruitment, or is this too simple? I hope this is the case, if they buy the aircraft the situation is neutral and we can get on with the process of recruiting new people but I feel this will likely be a hatchet job, meaning most of the BMI aircraft will be sold as it's such a loss making entity.
This then leaves the pilots, I'm sure BA see this as a great opportunity to employ lots of well trained pilots basically for free. That pretty much eats up 300+ pilots of the 800 they want, who will make up the rest I wonder?
What a horrid time to be mid way through the recruitment process, the whole situation seems to have changed overnight with the potential BMI purchase and the general economic malaise. It feels like 2008 all over again..
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 07:27
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Re: post 2908. Bowly I told you so

So today BA has announced the purchase of British Midland & so there's your easy way into BA (provided you work for BM). I do however hope very much that it does not have an adverse effect on all the enthusiastic DEP's.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 08:16
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Not quite

Putting my pedant's hat on, IAG (not BA) have bought BMI.

As to whether this means BMI crew will end up flying for BA is another matter.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 08:49
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The sooner you lot stop thinking BA is an altruistic company the better. It's a gentleman in a gypsy park.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 09:02
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I hear that the sale includes the aircraft, routes, slots and all employees. The route network is somewhat complementary. At the moment, no-one knows how BMI will be integrated into IAG, or for that matter into BA.

Todays results from IAG show a dip in traffic in some areas, which looks a little disturbing for the short-haul business.

How 350 pilots turning up into BA is a complete unknown. Certainly, it gives a level of uncertainty for both present and future BA pilots.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 09:09
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altruism /alˈtroo-i-zm/
noun
The principle of living and acting for the interest of others

In this case others are "shareholders" and BA are proving to be a very altruistic company looking at the long term effect of allowing large numbers of LHR slots onto the market in competition at our main base and mitigating a future impact on the business.

Maybe BlackandBrown, the sooner "people" think of aviation as a business the sooner they will realise decisions from take overs to pilot selection are not personal. They are made to best fit a business plan. Sometimes the personal outcome is coincident and happier than others.

I'm sure there are 300 BMI pilots right now wondering what their future holds and 3300 BA pilots wondering how those futures will affect theirs. Short term pain for future stability? Who knows.

Depending on how many slots will be kept by IAG it could see a 20% increase in BA's slots for a 10% increase in pilot numbers. If those slots are converted to long haul over the coming years where the crew to slot ratio is even higher then it could be very positive for recruitment.

Time will tell.

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... When BA took over BCal I believe they took the crews and integrated the seniority list, but when Dan-Air was bought out (bar the 737 guys) everyone was made redundant.
After the takeover of Cityflyer quite a few years ago the pilots were intergrated into BA (bottom of list, grandfather rights to command etc). However some pilots were found not to be to BA standards and it was decided that in future ALL pilots would go through selection before joining mainline.
So... anything could happen - whatever suits BA at the time
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Yet further confirmation that nothing is ever certain in aviation.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 09:31
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Hi all.

BA is no more buying BMI than Iberia is. IAG is doing the buying so I suspect that they will remain separate companies otherwise why would BA not do the buying. Considering that present pilots with BA Cityflyer and Openskies have to complete the full recruitment process, I would be very surprised if all BMI pilots got a free pass into BA and all the associated arguments over seniority etc.

As I understand it BMI Regional and Baby are profitable or nearly so. Could these two be used as a feeder service for IAG long haul routes from LHR, LGW and MAD and close down BMI Mainline which is the huge loss making part and use its LHR slots to expand the IAG long haul route network.

There are also lots of regulatory issues to clear, IAG would own 53% of Heathrow slots which I would think would be unsustainable. Some of these would surely have to be sold off to the competition.

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Old 4th Nov 2011, 09:45
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Jazzy I was meaning that the sooner 'professional pilots' realise that IAG is not an altruistic company TO THEM and neither can they continue to be, the better.
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Time to see if my EK offer is still there me thinks!
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As I understand it BMI Regional and Baby are profitable or nearly so. Could these two be used as a feeder service for IAG long haul routes from LHR, LGW and MAD and close down BMI Mainline which is the huge loss making part and use its LHR slots to expand the IAG long haul route network.
bmi Regional is not part of the IAG deal AFAIK? Already stated as being sold separately.

bmi Baby? Not sure if it is part of the IAG deal:
for the sale of British Midland Ltd (BMI) to IAG.
is bmi Bbay part of BMI Ltd?

close down BMI Mainline which is the huge loss making part and use its LHR slots to expand the IAG long haul route network.
The 2nd part is the stated aim. The transition I would doubt means the 1st part...

All employees, ... fleet, and ... route network will be transferred with the business.
has been stated elsewhere.

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