British Airways DEP Selection - THE lowdown Part 1
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Things have gone very quiet internally and there is suddenly a lot of spare capacity in the sim, which two months ago was very rare. This indicates that training capacity is less of an issue. However, the freeze in recruitment could be for a number of reasons and you have to take into consideration a number of other factors, such as forward bookings being down (although premium loads are still good), lgw fleet replacement decision delayed until next June and then there are the numerous rumours circulating re. BMI and the possible implications of any tie up. Hopefully things will become much clearer in the next few weeks.
Its all quite disconcerting. I hope that it amounts to little more than people just being a tiny bit paranoid!! After all the need for 800 pilots over 4 years cant simply go away, can it? And people are still pitching up for day 1 and day 2 assessments at Braincrank so I believe?
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Ive just been put into the pool, so the recruitment cogs are still turning!
However I am slightly worried that a purchase of BMI could mean that all my hard work over the last 6 months or so comes to nothing.....
IAG are announcing their quarterly results tomorrow, rumour is they will be announcing the details of the purchase of BMI too.
As skyrocket said, things will become clearer soon.
However I am slightly worried that a purchase of BMI could mean that all my hard work over the last 6 months or so comes to nothing.....
IAG are announcing their quarterly results tomorrow, rumour is they will be announcing the details of the purchase of BMI too.
As skyrocket said, things will become clearer soon.
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If IAG purchase BMI, surely it will be a complete purchase, pilots plus aircraft. So one would think this would nullify the impact of BMI pilots on recruitment, or is this too simple? I hope this is the case, if they buy the aircraft the situation is neutral and we can get on with the process of recruiting new people but I feel this will likely be a hatchet job, meaning most of the BMI aircraft will be sold as it's such a loss making entity.
This then leaves the pilots, I'm sure BA see this as a great opportunity to employ lots of well trained pilots basically for free. That pretty much eats up 300+ pilots of the 800 they want, who will make up the rest I wonder?
What a horrid time to be mid way through the recruitment process, the whole situation seems to have changed overnight with the potential BMI purchase and the general economic malaise. It feels like 2008 all over again..
This then leaves the pilots, I'm sure BA see this as a great opportunity to employ lots of well trained pilots basically for free. That pretty much eats up 300+ pilots of the 800 they want, who will make up the rest I wonder?
What a horrid time to be mid way through the recruitment process, the whole situation seems to have changed overnight with the potential BMI purchase and the general economic malaise. It feels like 2008 all over again..
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Re: post 2908. Bowly I told you so
So today BA has announced the purchase of British Midland & so there's your easy way into BA (provided you work for BM). I do however hope very much that it does not have an adverse effect on all the enthusiastic DEP's.
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I hear that the sale includes the aircraft, routes, slots and all employees. The route network is somewhat complementary. At the moment, no-one knows how BMI will be integrated into IAG, or for that matter into BA.
Todays results from IAG show a dip in traffic in some areas, which looks a little disturbing for the short-haul business.
How 350 pilots turning up into BA is a complete unknown. Certainly, it gives a level of uncertainty for both present and future BA pilots.
Todays results from IAG show a dip in traffic in some areas, which looks a little disturbing for the short-haul business.
How 350 pilots turning up into BA is a complete unknown. Certainly, it gives a level of uncertainty for both present and future BA pilots.
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altruism /alˈtroo-i-zm/
noun
The principle of living and acting for the interest of others
In this case others are "shareholders" and BA are proving to be a very altruistic company looking at the long term effect of allowing large numbers of LHR slots onto the market in competition at our main base and mitigating a future impact on the business.
Maybe BlackandBrown, the sooner "people" think of aviation as a business the sooner they will realise decisions from take overs to pilot selection are not personal. They are made to best fit a business plan. Sometimes the personal outcome is coincident and happier than others.
I'm sure there are 300 BMI pilots right now wondering what their future holds and 3300 BA pilots wondering how those futures will affect theirs. Short term pain for future stability? Who knows.
Depending on how many slots will be kept by IAG it could see a 20% increase in BA's slots for a 10% increase in pilot numbers. If those slots are converted to long haul over the coming years where the crew to slot ratio is even higher then it could be very positive for recruitment.
Time will tell.
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The principle of living and acting for the interest of others
In this case others are "shareholders" and BA are proving to be a very altruistic company looking at the long term effect of allowing large numbers of LHR slots onto the market in competition at our main base and mitigating a future impact on the business.
Maybe BlackandBrown, the sooner "people" think of aviation as a business the sooner they will realise decisions from take overs to pilot selection are not personal. They are made to best fit a business plan. Sometimes the personal outcome is coincident and happier than others.
I'm sure there are 300 BMI pilots right now wondering what their future holds and 3300 BA pilots wondering how those futures will affect theirs. Short term pain for future stability? Who knows.
Depending on how many slots will be kept by IAG it could see a 20% increase in BA's slots for a 10% increase in pilot numbers. If those slots are converted to long haul over the coming years where the crew to slot ratio is even higher then it could be very positive for recruitment.
Time will tell.
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... When BA took over BCal I believe they took the crews and integrated the seniority list, but when Dan-Air was bought out (bar the 737 guys) everyone was made redundant.
After the takeover of Cityflyer quite a few years ago the pilots were intergrated into BA (bottom of list, grandfather rights to command etc). However some pilots were found not to be to BA standards and it was decided that in future ALL pilots would go through selection before joining mainline.
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Hi all.
BA is no more buying BMI than Iberia is. IAG is doing the buying so I suspect that they will remain separate companies otherwise why would BA not do the buying. Considering that present pilots with BA Cityflyer and Openskies have to complete the full recruitment process, I would be very surprised if all BMI pilots got a free pass into BA and all the associated arguments over seniority etc.
As I understand it BMI Regional and Baby are profitable or nearly so. Could these two be used as a feeder service for IAG long haul routes from LHR, LGW and MAD and close down BMI Mainline which is the huge loss making part and use its LHR slots to expand the IAG long haul route network.
There are also lots of regulatory issues to clear, IAG would own 53% of Heathrow slots which I would think would be unsustainable. Some of these would surely have to be sold off to the competition.
All the best
BA is no more buying BMI than Iberia is. IAG is doing the buying so I suspect that they will remain separate companies otherwise why would BA not do the buying. Considering that present pilots with BA Cityflyer and Openskies have to complete the full recruitment process, I would be very surprised if all BMI pilots got a free pass into BA and all the associated arguments over seniority etc.
As I understand it BMI Regional and Baby are profitable or nearly so. Could these two be used as a feeder service for IAG long haul routes from LHR, LGW and MAD and close down BMI Mainline which is the huge loss making part and use its LHR slots to expand the IAG long haul route network.
There are also lots of regulatory issues to clear, IAG would own 53% of Heathrow slots which I would think would be unsustainable. Some of these would surely have to be sold off to the competition.
All the best
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As I understand it BMI Regional and Baby are profitable or nearly so. Could these two be used as a feeder service for IAG long haul routes from LHR, LGW and MAD and close down BMI Mainline which is the huge loss making part and use its LHR slots to expand the IAG long haul route network.
bmi Baby? Not sure if it is part of the IAG deal:
for the sale of British Midland Ltd (BMI) to IAG.
close down BMI Mainline which is the huge loss making part and use its LHR slots to expand the IAG long haul route network.
All employees, ... fleet, and ... route network will be transferred with the business.
NoD