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Rex - tragically I can relate to nearly all of those. Perhaps my CRM is lacking but I also find people take the open question concept way too far. A recent favourite, "what do you think about use of the APU today?". Umm, let's use it...?
What can I say, we're either flying for different airlines or you've been very lucky indeed. The other day, my skipper successfully briefed for the entirety of a 50 minute cruise. I was ready to hang myself by the end of it. When, over a beer later that evening, I tentatively brought up the more 'abbreviated' briefing style at my previous airline, he was incredulous. As I recall his words were - "that's appalling, there's always something to brief. If not, pick the QRH up and go through some memory actions together". And guess what, that's exactly what we did going into Heathrow. After he'd briefed me about Heathrow of course.
What can I say, we're either flying for different airlines or you've been very lucky indeed. The other day, my skipper successfully briefed for the entirety of a 50 minute cruise. I was ready to hang myself by the end of it. When, over a beer later that evening, I tentatively brought up the more 'abbreviated' briefing style at my previous airline, he was incredulous. As I recall his words were - "that's appalling, there's always something to brief. If not, pick the QRH up and go through some memory actions together". And guess what, that's exactly what we did going into Heathrow. After he'd briefed me about Heathrow of course.
Some years ago (before I retired) I was told by a CAA Ops Inspector that he had recently been on the jump seat of a BA flight from MXP to LHR. The hero in the Left Seat gave such an epic brief that went on so long such that they missed their slot and took a 2-hour delay. I can't believe that such a thing still happens.
TBH honest having flown a fair few times on Shorthaul flight deck jumpseats (thanks to those involved 
) and sat behind a few briefs I'm sensing there's a little bit of exaggeration going on here by some posters, maybe for effect...either that or some people have got really really short attention spans. Genuine question (yes I know we are still off topic, so definitely my last post in this context):
1. Experience levels across the BA Fleets vary and given the size of some status lists you've possibly never flown with your "mate" before and don't have handle on how much briefing the person in the other seat needs...you might be suprised how much briefing some folks need...not everybody is an ace...
2. From a long haul POV and as a FWIW I wouldn't regard a 5 minute brief/discussion on the joys of an LDA into the likes of HND as being terribly excessive, especially if the briefer was a regular to that place since I am not. OTOH 5 minutes into LHR on a NATO standard day...perhaps not..What's your cutoff? Any thing above 2 min is too much, regardless of circumstances?
3. If what you guys regard as overbriefing is so endemic don't just whinge here, that won't fix a thing - Make the point direct to Training management ( via Post flight reviews/Sim & line check debriefs/ even yammer...), with examples such as you have given above.
) and sat behind a few briefs I'm sensing there's a little bit of exaggeration going on here by some posters, maybe for effect...either that or some people have got really really short attention spans. Genuine question (yes I know we are still off topic, so definitely my last post in this context):1. Experience levels across the BA Fleets vary and given the size of some status lists you've possibly never flown with your "mate" before and don't have handle on how much briefing the person in the other seat needs...you might be suprised how much briefing some folks need...not everybody is an ace...
2. From a long haul POV and as a FWIW I wouldn't regard a 5 minute brief/discussion on the joys of an LDA into the likes of HND as being terribly excessive, especially if the briefer was a regular to that place since I am not. OTOH 5 minutes into LHR on a NATO standard day...perhaps not..What's your cutoff? Any thing above 2 min is too much, regardless of circumstances?
3. If what you guys regard as overbriefing is so endemic don't just whinge here, that won't fix a thing - Make the point direct to Training management ( via Post flight reviews/Sim & line check debriefs/ even yammer...), with examples such as you have given above.
Most widely expressed opinion about the simulated January run seems to be something along the lines of 
..and that’s not just being heard from the Junior.
Looking at how nasty some of the “rosters” are if they do end up being replicated in the first live run then the end of Jan could be interesting for Flight Ops from a scheduling and sickness POV.....
..and that’s not just being heard from the Junior.Looking at how nasty some of the “rosters” are if they do end up being replicated in the first live run then the end of Jan could be interesting for Flight Ops from a scheduling and sickness POV.....
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Most widely expressed opinion about the simulated January run seems to be something along the lines of ..and that’s not just being heard from the Junior.
Looking at how nasty some of the “rosters” are if they do end up being replicated in the first live run then the end of Jan could be interesting for Flight Ops from a scheduling and sickness POV.....
..and that’s not just being heard from the Junior.Looking at how nasty some of the “rosters” are if they do end up being replicated in the first live run then the end of Jan could be interesting for Flight Ops from a scheduling and sickness POV.....
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