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Old 15th Mar 2004, 09:49
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European Air Charter aircraft impounded

Apparently happened at STN & LGW yesterday - due to non payment of landing and maintenance fees.

Their aircraft are presently operating out of home base at Bournemouth but with rumour's that they'll go belly-up later today.
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Old 15th Mar 2004, 11:28
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Would this be the reason that there are two 747 arrived at Bournemouth and 5 737s parked on the European Ramp most of which arrived yesterday.
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Old 15th Mar 2004, 11:33
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As far as I know, Travel City will be doing the remainder of Winter Season SFB flights instead of EAF and are using Air Atlanta Europe 747s.
Frequency said to be increasing from Summer season.

Cant be good news for European with long haul programmes disappearing. Whats happened to their Kazakh flights too? Are AEU doing all of these now?
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Old 15th Mar 2004, 12:58
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No comment,

AEU and EAF lost the rights to operate to kazach when Air Astana was set up (new kazach national carrier) was set up at the end of last year.
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expedite_climb.

We lost the Charter rights to Kazakhstan. Other options are being explored.

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Old 15th Mar 2004, 17:42
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The 737 at STN was released today and then positioned to BOH
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 07:25
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All this rumour and no official word. I understand they have one B737 operating to TFS this morning, returing mid-afternoon.
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 08:36
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Yes, correct boh flights still running as usual on daily basis...
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 14:46
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Is that TFS in 737-200?! That must be stretching it to its range limit surely. Anyone any idea how long it would take in a 732? Can it carry a full load plus fuel that far?

Hope for everyone's sake at EAL that things sort out in the best possible way.

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LGW - Teneriffe is around four hours. The 200's were the work horses on that route in the 70's and early 80's carrying a full load of 130 pax.
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 17:06
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yes a4,

tfs from boh operate twice a week often with full loads, can make it in one hit if the weather is in your favour! takes between 3-50 upto 4-30. Sometimes a tech stop in santiago or faro is required.
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Air Atlanta UK has received permission from the CAA to use,
two Icelandic registered B747s for the period 13th March till 30th April,
to provide additional capacity.
I wonder why?
One is a 747-200 and the other is a 747-300.
The application was submitted on the 17th February.
Can I smell smoke?
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 19:28
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European

I would just like to add that all my dealings with European have been handled with in a most professional manner

What I do not like to see are people bad mouthing not just European but other English airlines

We all work in an industry we love and should support it rather then being negative all the time

I wish European, MYT & AV8 etc all the success, because from reading various threads they appear to be the airlines everyone are having ago at!

Best Regards

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Old 16th Mar 2004, 20:05
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I was there 2002 and I have to say it was awful. They hadn't a clue. I don't know about you, but I like to have a roster that looks like it will be kind of kept to not changed literally last minute, and to expect guys to drive themselves around the country is cuckoo as they expected. Then there's the awful interiors of the jumbos. No work to keep them tidy. Bits falling off. And when crewing girl rings up to send you to RUH and then asks , "actually-where is RUH"? . Thank God I got out. Now I hear they are all sitting around doing nothing. I mean the guys there were cool and the girlies in crewing were nice, never nasty, but the level of professionalism wasn't high. And the passengers sensed this outfit were amateurs. Even the company couldn't decide what to call itself, EAL,EAC,European, EAF, whetever the mood took them. Nice uniform though for the girlies and boys.

I did find it curious when I was at EAF that an awful lot of guys left AAI to come to EAF, then they saw how awful it was and then they left. So would I be as bold to suggest they are both pretty crappy?
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 22:16
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teachin, if you want a stable roster keep away from charter airlines, and using hire cars for crew positioning is hardly unique (ask the guys at Emerald). Fact is the bigger the company the more stable the rosters and the better the transport (no doubt there are exceptions!). Simple economics.
Having worked in aviation for years I have just had to look up RUH and I don't think it unusual for crewing in any airline to be unfamiliar with a new destination. We all live and learn.
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 23:12
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Guys,

I'm getting really f***ed off with all the european bashing, from what I have been reading over the last few days there are a lot of bitter people on here.

For Starters the nature of business of an Ad-Hoc chater airline suggest's uncertainty, if thats not your bag, go to a scheduled airline.

European have been great to me, ok there are uncertain times ahead but there is no need to stick the boot in.

I just hope that the companies that the european critics work for never hit hard time.
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 23:26
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Well said Vinnoir!! Im gettin rather bored with it too! Very good points u have bought up too. but im sure the bitching will go on and on!
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Cheer's,

i'd also like to add that I hope AAeurope have great success with they're new routes, both companies have extremely skilled, dedicated and loyal staff.
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Old 16th Mar 2004, 23:48
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jimjtetter & vinnoir

Here here, I cannot take this bashing of airlines from these so called "aviation people"

What is up with you all!

Best Regards

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Old 17th Mar 2004, 00:10
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Vinnoir,

Would just like to say, thankyou very much, i agree entirely.
I'm sick of people slagging us off, if you haven't got anything nice to say about us, don't bother saying anything.



Cheers Vinnoir
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