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Fatboyslim 11th January 2001 12:37

Dumb EPR question
 
Does EPR increase or decrease on T/O and why??

CCA 11th January 2001 18:15

Decrease due to Ram Rise, therefore thrust should be set by 80KTS so your not chasing the ram rise loss.

jtr 12th January 2001 20:18

Ram temp will result in a decrease in thrust as V increases, but doesn`t ram pressure increase more than counter this?

On the Rolls, I thought the figure increases on the roll (will take more notice in future)

Certainly the EPR value on a go-around is higher than a take off for the same conditions, and I thought the reason was ram rise only, as that is really the only difference b/t the two scenarios isn`t it?

quid 12th January 2001 23:51

I agreee with CCA. Standard day setting for my a/c are 1.85 for t/o and 1.81 for go-around. Takeoff EPR must be set by 80 kts, any faster than that the EPR reading will start to fall off and you may overboost. Depending on the actual conditions, the 1.85 set on t/o may fall back to 1.78-1.80 shortly after gear is retracted.

jtr 13th January 2001 05:27

Are both charts the same? All the ones I can remember looking at have T/O figures drawn up for packs off, and G/A for packs on. After applying the corrections, and assuming you are operating at above ISA conditions (to eliminate any throw on from a derate) the figures I have come up with G/A EPR higher. This is on an A330 so is there any possibility that FADEC makes the numbers do different things?
(Sorry to original poster, not trying to hi-jack the post, but am quite curious now)

Cough 13th January 2001 19:54

737-200

T/O Epr - Typical 2.10
G/A EPR - Typical 2.08

EPR = Pressure at back / Pressure at Front

On T/O - Pressure at back is constant (give or take), pressure at front increases (ram effect) hence EPR decreases.

scroggs 14th January 2001 17:33

For the RR-powered 747-200, ISA conditions at msl, t/o EPR = 1.69, g/a EPR = 1.64. T/o EPR is packs off, G/A packs on but the difference is more to do with the increased IAS in the G/A case.

expedite_climb 14th January 2001 23:02

Good old 'EPR' button on the MCP.... works a treat ...!!!!!!!


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