PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Tech Log (https://www.pprune.org/tech-log-15/)
-   -   Clarification on Boeing EFB OPT (https://www.pprune.org/tech-log/666210-clarification-boeing-efb-opt.html)

ElNull 25th May 2025 14:01

Clarification on Boeing EFB OPT
 
I have a question regarding Boeing EFB. When calculating takeoff performance and entering all required data, such as runway, temperature, QNH, etc. without inputting the takeoff weight, the EFB still generates a "TOGW."

Could someone clarify what exactly this TOGW? Is it representing the RTOW calculated based on the current conditions?

rudestuff 25th May 2025 16:15

Basically yes. If you don't put a weight it'll tell you the max weight for those conditions.

BraceBrace 25th May 2025 18:40

RTOW is a maximum weight takeoff weight taking into account performance limited weights not only at takeoff, but also cruise (engine out terrain clearance) and landing performance (in dispatch).

The EFB TOGW is the maximum based on structural and performance limit for takeoff only.

ElNull 28th May 2025 23:45


Originally Posted by BraceBrace (Post 11890158)
RTOW is a maximum weight takeoff weight taking into account performance limited weights not only at takeoff, but also cruise (engine out terrain clearance) and landing performance (in dispatch).

The EFB TOGW is the maximum based on structural and performance limit for takeoff only.

Yeah, I’ve noticed the RTOW in the EFB never exceeds MTOW, regardless of the entered conditions. Does the EFB apply MTOW as a hard limit by default?

Cough 29th May 2025 00:38


Originally Posted by ElNull (Post 11891775)
Yeah, I’ve noticed the RTOW in the EFB never exceeds MTOW, regardless of the entered conditions. Does the EFB apply MTOW as a hard limit by default?

Ours do apply MTOW as a hard limit...

rudestuff 29th May 2025 14:06

That seems fairly obvious since you can't legally go any higher.

FullWings 30th May 2025 09:21

Although it is useful to know what constraints you are operating under and what margins you have.

rudestuff 30th May 2025 14:26

The engine derate will tell you the margin you have. Once the assumed temp reduces to ambient then the RTOW starts to drop.

FullWings 31st May 2025 07:26


Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 11892609)
The engine derate will tell you the margin you have. Once the assumed temp reduces to ambient then the RTOW starts to drop.

Kind of, depending on if there are obstacles in the departure and where they are. It could be more to do with max continuous thrust (fixed) if the dominant obstacle is some distance away.

I find the weight margin, RTOW vs. ATOW, a better indicator of how close to the wire you actually are.


All times are GMT. The time now is 22:33.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.