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skippybangkok 3rd January 2025 11:27

High Speed Tape
 
Flight from Shanghai to Bangkok, seems both winglets on the 737-800 were traumatised
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....941845059.jpeg


the wife was not amused

FlightDetent 3rd January 2025 13:43

Would the spouse enjoy having the trip cancelled better? That's how a frightened person can be helped, make them articulate a real-life alternative.

No point in explaining the technicals while they are not accepting their situation and being rejective. After they decide on their own they will go through anyway, as an independent preferred choice, that is the time to dissolve the fears. "Sub-standard paint job, adverse effects mitigated."




skippybangkok 3rd January 2025 14:45

Honestly- I understand the technicals , but it’s just so weird to see a fairly new plane look like it’s held together with scotch tape on steroids - and a lot of it

DaveReidUK 4th January 2025 06:57


Originally Posted by skippybangkok (Post 11799757)
Flight from Shanghai to Bangkok, seems both winglets on the 737-800 were traumatised

the wife was not amused

It appears to be a MAX 8, not an -800.

Which of course gives CSH even less excuse for its tatty state. :O

PPRuNeUser45738 4th January 2025 08:29


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11800239)
It appears to be a MAX 8, not an -800.

Which of course gives CSH even less excuse for its tatty state. :O

Perhaps a rough leading edge for better airflow separation and stall warning 🤦‍♀️

HOVIS 4th January 2025 08:58

Best not fly on a 787 then. 😁

DaveReidUK 4th January 2025 12:42


Originally Posted by sangiovese. (Post 11800275)
Perhaps a rough leading edge for better airflow separation and stall warning 🤦‍♀️

Though if you're flying in such a way as to stall the winglet, you've probably got bigger problems. :O

SimonPaddo 4th January 2025 12:52

Wonder if it’s also on the door plug?

IBMJunkman 4th January 2025 13:36

What is the speed difference between speed tape and high speed tape? :)

Intruder 4th January 2025 14:08

THC..

mechpowi 4th January 2025 17:58


Originally Posted by IBMJunkman (Post 11800442)
What is the speed difference between speed tape and high speed tape? :)

That metallic high speed (aka. supersonic) tape is good for sustained supersonic flight, the fabric stuff (aka. high speed stuff) is only good for subsonic regime 😉

That, of course, is quite irrelevant in case of a 737.

tdracer 4th January 2025 19:00


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11800239)
It appears to be a MAX 8, not an -800.

Which of course gives CSH even less excuse for its tatty state. :O

DR, no way to tell from that photo. The split simitar style winglets ended up on large numbers of 737NGs before the MAX was certified (it's easy to identify the difference between an NG and a MAX from the engine nacelle, but not the winglets.. I see lots of NGs with that style winglets at SeaTac airport (mainly Alaska Air, but some Southwest as well)

slacktide 4th January 2025 23:58


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 11800630)
DR, no way to tell from that photo. The split simitar style winglets ended up on large numbers of 737NGs before the MAX was certified (it's easy to identify the difference between an NG and a MAX from the engine nacelle, but not the winglets.. I see lots of NGs with that style winglets at SeaTac airport (mainly Alaska Air, but some Southwest as well)

Respectfully, the 737NG Split Scimitar winglet is totally different from the 737 MAX Advanced Technology winglet, other than they are both forked up-sie/down-sie. They are very easy to differentiate visually. Visually, The Split Scimitar looks like someone took the pre-existing upswept NG winglet and superglued a goofy downwards extension onto it, but the AT winglet is an all-new aerodynamic design. The SS winglets are an Aviation Partners design, the AT winglet was designed internally to Boeing.

https://www.aviationpartners.com/air...nded-winglets/

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2012-05...et-for-737-MAX




slacktide 5th January 2025 04:00

Here’s a similar passenger view of he Split Scimitar winglet installed on a NG. Note the different trailing edge profile, and lack of static discharge wicks.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....55203eefe.jpeg

DaveReidUK 5th January 2025 07:24


Originally Posted by slacktide (Post 11800757)
Respectfully, the 737NG Split Scimitar winglet is totally different from the 737 MAX Advanced Technology winglet, other than they are both forked up-sie/down-sie.

Yes, I did a bit of Googling before concluding it was one of CSH's MAXs with Split Scimitars. I wasn't expecting to cross swords with anyone. :O

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....00aec0fe2b.png

Source

compressor stall 5th January 2025 08:17

Just say “Speedtape, meh…that’s the least of your worries on this aircraft.”

And duck the incoming

safetypee 5th January 2025 09:17

Speed tape in icing conditions
 
Does the metallic finish on the leading edge of the original structure imply that this has icing protection ?
If so, what if any effect will speed tape have on flight in icing conditions ?

HOVIS 5th January 2025 11:21

I don't think there is any anti icing on the winglets.

HOVIS 5th January 2025 11:24


Originally Posted by mechpowi (Post 11800600)
That metallic high speed (aka. supersonic) tape is good for sustained supersonic flight, the fabric stuff (aka. high speed stuff) is only good for subsonic regime 😉

That, of course, is quite irrelevant in case of a 737.

I've never come across a fabric speed tape. Do you use it on external surfaces? The metallic HST is the only type I've ever used.

mechpowi 5th January 2025 12:49


Originally Posted by HOVIS (Post 11801053)
I've never come across a fabric speed tape. Do you use it on external surfaces? The metallic HST is the only type I've ever used.

To be honest, the fabric tape I’ve used is not called ”speed tape”. It’s called ”red aircraft tape”, but it is used on external surfaces that are less exposed than, say, a leading edge or a radome. The fabric tape has higher tensile strenght than proper speed tape, so it’s good for securing lose things. It’s also little easier to apply and remove. I think it is some quite ordinary tape, something like this:
https://www.conrad.com/en/p/scotch-3...s-2145138.html


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