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Originally Posted by Check Airman
(Post 12095954)
Use common sense. If a single pack can’t sufficiently cool the cabin, open the crossbleed, or leave the APU running.
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Originally Posted by ustio
(Post 12096025)
well yeah using common sense which is why I asked this question since Airbus SOP is to switch the APU bleed to off and only switch it on again for 2nd engine start. I'm just asking making sure if its safe to do. Thanks anyway
There’s nothing wrong with leaving the APU bleed open. If ever we require the packs off for takeoff performance, we leave the APU bleed open to supply the packs. |
Airbus do not allow X-BLEED open during Single Engine Taxi Out sure to lack of bleed leak detection in the opposite engine pylon.
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Originally Posted by ustio
(Post 12095640)
Once you decided to taxi with one engine, you let the APU bleed off during taxi. And since bleed 1 only supply pack 1, and bleed 2 is still off because the 2nd engine hasn't been started, it could get quite hot in the back since pack 2 doesn't get any air.
My question is is there any operator that modified the SETO procedure by letting the APU bleed on or open the crossbleed? Is there any effect of turning those on/open during SETO? On the NEO aircraft, the X BLEED is left in AUTO, the APU may be left running, but the APU bleed is selected OFF as above. |
A number of airlines had self developed procedures related to the X BLEED. However, when Airbus launched RET as SOP, they made clear it must not be open.
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Originally Posted by Jwscud
(Post 12097444)
A number of airlines had self developed procedures related to the X BLEED. However, when Airbus launched RET as SOP, they made clear it must not be open.
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Until the publication of a major FCOM update 18 months ago, all airlines using RETO were using their own internally developed procedures.
All operators use procedures customised in some way or other from OEM SOPs, and the manufacturer has a process to grant a “no technical objection” where changes could affect systems. In this case it appears that the OEM technical analysis when they changed their manufacturer SOP was of greater depth. A more serious example of where customised procedures are not always properly evaluated was the 777 crash at LHR where the evacuation checklist had been split between crew members leading to spar valves remaining open as the split interrupted the intended sequence of actions. |
My former employer's SETO procedure was based on that published by Airbus in the supplementary procedures section of the FCOM. It wasn't something they adopted in-house after a "no technical objection" from Airbus. If the X BLEED is no longer allowed to be selected open, then the manufacturer's guidance must have changed at some point.
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Originally Posted by BuzzBox
(Post 12096965)
On the NEO aircraft, the X BLEED is left in AUTO, the APU may be left running, but the APU bleed is selected OFF as above.
On a semi unrelated note, I am not sure if running the APU bleed when running single engine is more fuel efficient than keeping the APU on and using engine bleed, or if running both packs out of the APU bleed is better for cooling than a single pack out of the engine bleed. |
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