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Mooney12 13th January 2023 12:12

Engine Stall A320
 
Hi,

Just wanting to gather some thoughts on how to fly an approach, landing and go-around with an engine that is stalled but still producing significant thrust, but not g/a thrust. I know it has to be configured as if single engine, but how would one actually fly it, if the point of engine stall was quite high.

many thanks in advance

KingAir1978 13th January 2023 20:40

Leave the engine running in idle thrust, unless it starts exceeding parameters, run the APU. Set up for a single engine go around and run through the eng. shutdown procedure in the FCOM (i.e. put the TCAS in TA only)

hans brinker 13th January 2023 21:23


Originally Posted by KingAir1978 (Post 11365809)
Leave the engine running in idle thrust, unless it starts exceeding parameters, run the APU. Set up for a single engine go around and run through the eng. shutdown procedure in the FCOM (i.e. put the TCAS in TA only)

Yup. It is not at prop, so even at idle it is better for drag than shut down. Also still have the hydraulics, generator and bleed air. And yes, run the APU too. Consider fuel burn...


sonicbum 14th January 2023 06:44


Originally Posted by Mooney12 (Post 11365510)
Hi,

Just wanting to gather some thoughts on how to fly an approach, landing and go-around with an engine that is stalled but still producing significant thrust, but not g/a thrust. I know it has to be configured as if single engine, but how would one actually fly it, if the point of engine stall was quite high.

many thanks in advance

Use the engine till final approach keeping it below the stall threshold and prepare for a OEI-like final app that is APU running and thrust level idle shortly before starting the final app. You will avoid any confusion during final app in case the engine starts stalling at lower thrust or in case GA becomes necessary. If the engine starts stalling even at idle thrust consider ecam handling gates and actions below this gate, ie. Continue the approach, stop on the runway and shut down the engine. Brief the whole lot of what if to avoid surprises.

vilas 14th January 2023 08:16

Leave the affected THR LVR below stall threshold and use it upto that no need to idle it. Any thrust reduction will be on both any increase will be on both upto stall threshold beyond that only on the good engine.

sonicbum 14th January 2023 09:07


Originally Posted by vilas (Post 11366036)
Leave the affected THR LVR below stall threshold and use it upto that no need to idle it. Any thrust reduction will be on both any increase will be on both upto stall threshold beyond that only on the good engine.

If You end up going around like this you will 99% set both thrust levers to TOGA. Use your engine below stall threshold and then find a familiar configuration for final app. The engine is still there if you need it anyway.

vilas 14th January 2023 13:33


Originally Posted by sonicbum (Post 11366065)
If You end up going around like this you will 99% set both thrust levers to TOGA. Use your engine below stall threshold and then find a familiar configuration for final app. The engine is still there if you need it anyway.

The procedure doesn't ask you idle the affected engine but keep it below stall threshold. And OP says the condition is it's having significant thrust but not GA thrust. So during approach to keep maintain speed you will have to play with it within the available thrust. You may leave it at idle but that's not recommended procedure.

321XLR 14th January 2023 14:45

is this a flight simmer question or real world


sonicbum 14th January 2023 14:47


Originally Posted by vilas (Post 11366211)
The procedure doesn't ask you idle the affected engine but keep it below stall threshold. And OP says the condition is it's having significant thrust but not GA thrust. So during approach to keep maintain speed you will have to play with it within the available thrust. You may leave it at idle but that's not recommended procedure.

Never said to leave it at idle, just try to read again my post. Comply with the engine stall procedure, for final approach you can operate both engines as normal but:
1 - in case of go around you must remember not to slam both engines to toga which will easily happen in a real life - startled induced maneuver.
2 - if the affected engine stall conditions deteriorates to stalling at lower thrust settings you might need to start reducing thrust at very low altitude whilst on final approach.

Bottom line is: fly it complying to the manufacturer’s procedure by all means.




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