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alexious85 22nd February 2019 21:34

A320F : minimum equipment to START RNP approach.
 
If you are operating the A320 family you should be familiar with the fact that the required equipment to start an RNP approach is listed in PRO-SPO-51. ( which happens to be : One FMGC ‐ One GPS ‐ Two IRS ‐ One MCDU ‐ One FD ‐ One PFD on the PF side , Two FCU channels , 2 NDs ) .
My question is the following : Why does airbus use the wording “start” (minimum equipment required to start RNP APCH operations) ?
Is there an implication that once you are in the procedure and you lose one of those systems you could continue under some circumstances?

Capt Scribble 22nd February 2019 22:08

You might have visual references shortly after commencing the approach. Cleared to continue!

Australopithecus 22nd February 2019 23:37

If you have one GPS at the start of the approach but subsequently lose it you will complete the procedure prior to the nav accuracy degrading beyond limits. The rest of the items likely are required all the way down (except maybe an IRS or ND? )

AerocatS2A 23rd February 2019 02:36

Our QRH lists equipment required to start the approach, different from what you’ve described incidentally, then goes on to list the action required in the case of further failures. For some you can continue the approach, for others you can’t.

sonicbum 23rd February 2019 08:31


Originally Posted by alexious85 (Post 10397945)
If you are operating the A320 family you should be familiar with the fact that the required equipment to start an RNP approach is listed in PRO-SPO-51. ( which happens to be : One FMGC ‐ One GPS ‐ Two IRS ‐ One MCDU ‐ One FD ‐ One PFD on the PF side , Two FCU channels , 2 NDs ) .
My question is the following : Why does airbus use the wording “start” (minimum equipment required to start RNP APCH operations) ?
Is there an implication that once you are in the procedure and you lose one of those systems you could continue under some circumstances?

Hi,

worth a read getting to grips with Required Navigation Performance with Autorization Required. Generally speaking after passing the FAF a go around is required for (less) different reasons than before crossing it.

aterpster 23rd February 2019 13:31


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10398014)
If you have one GPS at the start of the approach but subsequently lose it you will complete the procedure prior to the nav accuracy degrading beyond limits. The rest of the items likely are required all the way down (except maybe an IRS or ND? )

RNP APCH or RNP AR? Big difference.


Escape Path 24th February 2019 16:35

The list in SPO 51 lists the same equipment as the list on the QRH under “Required Equipment for RNAV Procedures”. On the QRH you can see it says “Before IAF”. For loss of equipment after crossing the IAF you can check FCOM-NOR-SOP-18-C “Management of degraded navigation”.

Remember that you only need to check those lists (particularly the one on the QRH) if you lose equipment after dispatch. For deferred equipment, the MEL will tell you your applicable restrictions.

sonicbum 24th February 2019 17:17


Originally Posted by Escape Path (Post 10399342)
The list in SPO 51 lists the same equipment as the list on the QRH under “Required Equipment for RNAV Procedures”. On the QRH you can see it says “Before IAF”. For loss of equipment after crossing the IAF you can check FCOM-NOR-SOP-18-C “Management of degraded navigation”.

Remember that you only need to check those lists (particularly the one on the QRH) if you lose equipment after dispatch. For deferred equipment, the MEL will tell you your applicable restrictions.

Very true, I had a "slip" in my post above, it is the IAF, not the FAF.

Cak 24th February 2019 20:54


Originally Posted by Escape Path (Post 10399342)
The list in SPO 51 lists the same equipment as the list on the QRH under “Required Equipment for RNAV Procedures”. On the QRH you can see it says “Before IAF”. For loss of equipment after crossing the IAF you can check FCOM-NOR-SOP-18-C “Management of degraded navigation”.

Remember that you only need to check those lists (particularly the one on the QRH) if you lose equipment after dispatch. For deferred equipment, the MEL will tell you your applicable restrictions.

What if you are radar vectored for RNAV APP? :)


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