holding speed in australia
 

hello all!
once i looked at the book, i find there are two kind of holding speed in australia: one is icao; one is pans ops. so wich one should we use in real fight?
thanks to all reply!

ICAO holding speeds were adopted Australia wide about three or four years ago.

thank you very much! so what is the pans ops speed in that route book for?

wingtip777 ... I suspect that to be a good question to ask CASA. Good luck! :eek:

Wintip777,

You will find the Australian AIP online at the Airservices Australia web site, it will be in there.

Don't waste your time with CASA,

If you are a pilot and flying IFR in Australian airspace, and ask CASA a question like that, you will probably cop an "on the spot" ticket, their latest in " CASA's armory of compliance and enforcement weapons" this being a quote form a “very senior officer of CASA” in a public statement.

Because you are supposed to know.

In fact there are a number of tables of ICAO ( Pans-Ops-- Procedures for air navigation services-operations) holding speeds, if you use Jep. manuals it is all in the Worldwide Text, in the "200 series pages" under the Air Traffic Control tab.

From memory, Australia is Pans-Ops 8168, Vol. 11, Edition 3. Table 1, but with some limitations for Cat A and B aircraft, that will be in the Jep. Australian Differences section. (or the AIP).

Needless to say the Australian Differences section is about 3 or 4 times as long as the next nearest ICAO differences section by page count.

Have fun ???

Tootle pip !!