.. ah, then .... that explains it ... we have always seen detail and quality from Long Beach ...

Quid,

Thanks for the correction, saves me from having to pull out our old DC8 manuals. I'm glad to see that you are putting off retirement, hang in there as long as it stays "fun".

Good Luck.

Mutt.

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thanks for all the helpful answers! i do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain to me Vmcg/Vmca. still digesting most of the stuff though ... thanks again!

... only one golden rule .. if you can .. stay away from them ...