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MD83FO 25th August 2015 20:10

A320 one engine taxi.
 
Hello, could someone please tell me what the task sharing looks like on the one engine taxi procedure.
No one here seems to know who does what.
I know that supplementary procedures are PM read and do, but the ones related to engine start are PF.

Amadis of Gaul 25th August 2015 20:30

"Noone here seems to know who does what"...


Yikes.

ShotOne 25th August 2015 20:43

In our company, MD83, its PM read and do with PF confirmation before shutting engine down.

tubby linton 25th August 2015 21:45

Are you asking about OETA? it is fairly straight forward. Complete the after landing checklist , wait 3 mins for engine cooldown and then PM turns Engine Master2 off (Confirmation required) and Yellow elec HYD pump on

Amadis of Gaul 25th August 2015 22:36

'Round these parts it's pump first, engine second, but carry on...

tubby linton 25th August 2015 22:43

Our company advises not to have the EDP and the elec pump both running at the same time.

Black Pudding 25th August 2015 22:53

Interesting question

My concerns is where does it say 3 mins after cool down ?

I know it says Not less than 3 min after high thrust operations, and when taxiing in a straight line.

In our FCTM, it says idle reverse is not considered high thrust, so when would you say 3 mins starts. After touch down if idle reverse was used.

Where else does this 3 minutes figure appear.

OPEN DES 26th August 2015 00:01

A320 one engine taxi.
 
3 min after n1 less than 45% for cfm56

MD83FO 26th August 2015 01:57

Apologies, I meant to specify one engine taxi out, where several switches are actioned.

Rick777 26th August 2015 02:23

Where I came from the captain drives the bus on the ground and FO does everything else. We shut it down soon after clearing t he runway because flying final isn't a high thrust situation if you do it right.

MD83FO 26th August 2015 12:19

It is on the green operating procedures, and is read before the first engine is started, it is the PF who starts the first engine, but who executes the rest of the items before the parking brake is released, ignition normal, apu bleed off, crossbleed open, yellow electric pump on etc..

Fursty Ferret 26th August 2015 12:50

PF starts first engine, sets mode selector to normal and turns APU bleed off. PM then switches yellow electric pump on and completes the after start flow.

ENG 2 start is supplementary procedure by PM with confirmation ONLY required for the engine master switch. PF should be concentrating entirely on driving the aircraft. Even if PM gets the procedure entirely wrong they won't harm anyone or damage anything provided they don't operate a guarded switch.

After engine 2 start normal procedures resume. Not difficult...

FlightDetent 26th August 2015 13:23


Originally Posted by Amadis of Gaul (Post 9095025)
'Round these parts it's pump first, engine second, but carry on...

Since you asked so nicely:
http://i62.tinypic.com/ws34b5.png

cheers,
FD.

Amadis of Gaul 26th August 2015 17:08

Much appreciated. That's not our procedure.

FlightDetent 26th August 2015 20:00

Do you have an idea, why do your "parts" think differently than Airbus?

IIRC about 5 years ago the FCOM changed to what you say, then back again after some time. I cannot remember neither of the explanations, if I ever had seen them.

regards,
FD.

Amadis of Gaul 26th August 2015 21:37

No idea, I just do as they tell me to. I noticed the part from the FCOM you quote uses the words "...the crew MAY use the following procedure..." rather than MUST, so I guess that leaves operators some freedom to choose.

Gauges and Dials 26th August 2015 22:16

You forgot the PTU
 
APU ................................................ START
DOG............... ................................ AWAKE
ENG 2.............................................. SHUT DOWN
DOG................................................ BARK (push 5x)
DOG................................................ ASLEEP

Amadis of Gaul 26th August 2015 22:39


Originally Posted by Gauges and Dials (Post 9096338)
APU ................................................ START
DOG............... ................................ AWAKE
ENG 2.............................................. SHUT DOWN
DOG................................................ BARK (push 5x)
DOG................................................ ASLEEP

Ain't THAT the truth! That's why I wait until engine one gets below 8% N2 at the gate before turning the Yellow electric pump off.

FlightDetent 27th August 2015 06:50


Originally Posted by Amadis of Gaul (Post 9096356)
... I wait until engine one gets below 8% N2 at the gate before turning the Yellow electric pump off.

Same here, like they say "to avoid running the PTU".

FD.

Cough 27th August 2015 07:11

I was told that we shut down first to stop the yellow pump having an electrical transit on the motor every time.

Citation2 27th August 2015 10:41

No need to wait until engine one spool down at the gate before switching off the Y ELec pump. PTU is inhibited with parking brake set.

Amadis of Gaul 27th August 2015 12:11


Originally Posted by Citation2 (Post 9096841)
No need to wait until engine one spool down at the gate before switching off the Y ELec pump. PTU is inhibited with parking brake set.

Indeed. Most Captains take the PB off after the chock signal, though. Hence, the commonplace "what's that noise?"

Gryphon 27th August 2015 17:26


No need to wait until engine one spool down at the gate before switching off the Y ELec pump. PTU is inhibited with parking brake set.
if both engines master OFF (or both ON, but not the case), PTU Auto and diff press >500 psi, it will run independently of the park brake.

Stone Cold II 27th August 2015 17:38

Runs every time I come onto stand after doing single engine taxi once engine one shut down and the parking brake is set.

Citation2 28th August 2015 10:46

PTU will run during engine 1 shutdown , and not when parking brake is set with Y ELEC pump OFF .

vilas 28th August 2015 11:38

Citation2
Any reference for parking brake and PTU connection? Because during ENG1 start it comes on as a test.

Gryphon 28th August 2015 12:26


PTU will run during engine 1 shutdown
Right, cause both engine master OFF (as long as diff HYD press > 500 psi)


and not when parking brake is set with Y ELEC pump OFF .
Right again, because 1 engine master ON, the other OFF and Park brake ON and Nose wheel steering not in towing position :)

Gryphon 28th August 2015 12:34


Any reference for parking brake and PTU connection? Because during ENG1 start it comes on as a test.
Yes, because both engines master ON (as long as diff HYD press > 500 psi and PTU sw in auto)

FCOM DSC-29-10-20 PTU (logic)

:ok:

vilas 28th August 2015 13:02

Gryphon
Thanks.

flightplan 29th August 2015 19:09

And a cant understand what are the difficulties in PTU running for several seconds? Is it so important to avoid it?


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