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IFixPlanes 6th August 2014 06:42

Restrictions depends on different ECS (pre or post MOD 30626), FWC standard and the aircraft type. Speedbrakes are related to the A319. Without all speedbrakes the AC is not able to get down to FL100 in time when the 2nd pack goes INOP.

rudderrudderrat 6th August 2014 10:47


Speedbrakes are related to the A319
What is so different with your A320s?
Our A320s still require speed brakes to be operative in order to plan FL 370.

IFixPlanes 6th August 2014 13:57

Sorry, i choose my words wrong. Even when speedbrakes are operative the A319 is limited to FL370 with one pack U/S.
Our A320 and A321 can fly up to maximum when speedbrakes are OK.
Check out the MMEL.

compressor stall 21st August 2014 03:58

A320 Angles
 

320:In manual flight: 40d for spoilers 3 & 4, 20d for spoiler 2.
And what are they for the A320 with the Autopilot engaged? How much different are they to those of the A319? :cool:

I don't have an A320 QRH, but I assume AP OFF is not part of the Emergency Descent?


Even when speedbrakes are operative the A319 is limited to FL370 with one pack U/S
That would appear to be the case for the MEL above, but MELs in different parts of the world differ. Not all have FL370 as a limit. It may be exceeded with restrictions.

Citation2 22nd August 2014 12:49

From a legality point of view there is no need to descend , as per the provision of MEL , as long as speed brakes ares operative. Airmanship might dictate otherwise depending on the situation , this is where captain decision comes into play and that's why robots haven't replaced pilots yet.

Similar question just to give food for thought . AC ESS BUS FAULT leads to the deactivation of cabin oxygen masks door ( Auto+manual are inop) and this is not even indicated in ECAM , just a little note on FCOM saying so. So now your pax don't have oxygen in case of depressuraziation.

Would you descent to FL250 ? Considering that your A320 has become an "ATR" , would you continue at FL390 because there is no "if scenarios" ?
Would you ask you your purser to use the Manual Release Tool to open manually all oxygen masks doors in the cabin scaring your pax , or would you stay quite and proceed to your destination?

Metro man 31st August 2014 07:57

If you descend consider the fuel penalty, not the cost but WX at destination, alternates and your minimum divert fuel.

Dan Winterland 2nd September 2014 01:56


Single bleed fault ECAM action and PRO ABN do not mention descent but MEL limits ops above FL315. So in case of bleed fault in flt. Would you descent?
Depends on your aircraft - keep an eye on the cabin alt and diff press. I've had a bleed fail in flight twice above FL315. One time, there was no problem, the other, the cabin alt started creeping up as it was an older aircraft with leaky door seals. We descended.

As in all cases, you need to know the procedures but also have the knowledge to apply them effectively. A bit of airmanship and common sense is always required.


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