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aterpster 21st November 2013 22:51

ok465:



(The RWY XX does not have to be selected until you are issued the landing runway and this would appear to meet the 91.129 requirements for 'glide path' as opposed to 'glide slope'. But of course nothing keeps you from line selecting the ILS either.)
Not in the context of 91.129:

(2) Each pilot operating a large or turbine-powered airplane approaching to land on a runway served by an instrument approach procedure with vertical guidance, if the airplane is so equipped, must:

(i) Operate that airplane at an altitude at or above the glidepath between the published final approach fix and the decision altitude (DA),or decision height (DH), as applicable;

Seems clear the glidepath refers to the IAP with vertical guidance that serves the runway being used.

nitpicker330 21st November 2013 23:30

Out with it....out with what??

Ok Capt my opinion is as I said earlier on. I would expect any Pilot would tune the ILS for a visual approach if it was available as a good airmanship point and as just plain common sense. For obvious reasons.

If the box didn't auto tune then I would manually tune. As I've done in the Sim.

As for my company SOP? Can't say I've looked for a policy but I know 99% of Pilots I fly with would do it anyway.:ok:

SMOC 22nd November 2013 02:38


So I guess the answer is---if no ILS is selected into the flight plan from the data base then the ILS will not auto tune.
For those interested, if there is an ILS frequency associated with the runway the 744 FMC will autotune it regardless of the FMC selection, ie VOR05L / ILS05L / RWY05L. So I guess it's either a Boeing thing or a customer option.

aterpster 22nd November 2013 12:52

OK465:


RWY 24R has one GPS (non RNP-AR) RNAV with vertical guidance (A330 isso-equipped). Don't see anything you bolded that requires tuning the ILS,either line selected or manual.
The regulation doesn't say "ILS" although it did years back. Today, for that particular runway ILS, LPV, or LNAV/VNAV would be the three options. Perhaps I misunderstood you when you stated previously, “No problem....a RWY 24R centerline navprofile will be created from a CF and you will get what is called the'doughnut' for vertical path info....works just as well as a tuned GS and will put you right on the PAPI if you hand fly it properly. The 'doughnut' can be monitored for adjustments around the turn.”

This thread is simply a technical and regulatory discussion, not a horse race or piano player shoot.
:)

flyboyike 22nd November 2013 13:37

Seems more like shooting the breeze to me.

flyboyike 22nd November 2013 16:10

I sure don't, never even been a passenger on one.


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