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DaveReidUK 9th September 2013 19:48


Hmmm.. I always thought the DME was zero ranged to touchdown.
That may well have been the case once, but it certainly isn't nowadays.

http://www.avgen.co.uk/DME.jpg

Chris Scott 9th September 2013 20:11

Hi DaveReidUK,

I see you are right: the LHR 27L ILS DME currently (well, 2010) reads zero at the threshold, not the touchdown point. I wonder why that should be so, and whether it was ever as HEATHROW DIRECTOR and I think we recall.

eglnyt 9th September 2013 21:05

With a display resolution of 0.1 Nm and an accuracy of 0.1 Nm you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference.

bubbers44 9th September 2013 21:59

Things have changed in the last 10 years for the better. We always had to subract about 2 miles from Localizer DME to calculate touch down DME. This is a great improvement I wasn't aware of.

flyboyike 9th September 2013 22:12

Why 2 miles? What if the runway is less than 2 miles?

bubbers44 9th September 2013 22:20

Then you subtract runway length, what ever that may be.

flyboyike 9th September 2013 22:32

Good thing too, because if you subtract 2 miles from, say, Rwy1 at DCA, you'll be swimming.

bubbers44 9th September 2013 23:43

true, but most pilots are inteligent enough to figure it out.

bubbers44 9th September 2013 23:45

add an l to intelligent.

flyboyike 10th September 2013 00:31

Hey, if we were good at math, would we do this for this kind of money? It's just that until today I never heard the 2-mile figure before. Besides, how would you account for displaced thresholds and such?

bubbers44 10th September 2013 00:48

LAX, MIA and DFW usually have two miles of runway and when the LOC DME was at the far end you subtracted distance to figure touchdown point.

dcoded 10th September 2013 08:00

Thank you Chris Scott for a most informative answer.

My question has been answered and MODs can now lock it if they so desire!:ok:

bubbers44 10th September 2013 09:04

Using LOC DME must be different now but even when you had to do the math it gave you a heads up if the glide slope didn't match the 300 ft per mile profile. Nobody uses this as their primary descent profile, it is a backup to verify the ILS or what ever descent profile they are using.

Ozlander1 10th September 2013 19:24


Originally Posted by bubbers44 (Post 8040057)
add an l to intelligent.

And I get "intellligent". :ugh:

bubbers44 10th September 2013 20:29

Age does screw up your vision doesn't it. I could have sworn I wrote intelligent. I'm only 69.

bubbers44 10th September 2013 20:36

Looking back I did leave out the L so I fixed it by adding another. I hate it when my dead english teacher keeps waking me up in my dreams.

Ozlander1 11th September 2013 22:41


Originally Posted by bubbers44 (Post 8041833)
Looking back I did leave out the L so I fixed it by adding another. I hate it when my dead english teacher keeps waking me up in my dreams.

I still remember mine. And that was a loooong time ago. ;)


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