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petitb 27th October 2011 09:17

Most Difficult Airfield
 
A friend e-mailed me this link Most difficult landing in the world - Bhutan? - YouTube showing an approach to Bhutan, under the heading "Most difficult landing in the world?".
I would have thought that there might be other candidates for that heading.
Are there ?:confused:

framer 27th October 2011 10:20

:D My word! I thought that was going to be boring but it definately seems like a chanllenge in a jet. If there were nasty winds or you lost an engine failure I imagine it could get pretty hairy! No idea if there are more challenging ones. Thanks for posting .

18-Wheeler 27th October 2011 10:31

Pfftt .... most difficult my bum.
There's about a hundred more difficult runways in Papua New Guinea and no doubt many other examples around the world. And yes I used to fly into some of the easier ones in a Citation.

Alloy 27th October 2011 10:34

Last four minutes are defiantly sporting!

Dan Winterland 27th October 2011 10:38

My company trained the Druk Air pilots for a while. Our sim instructors were very impressed by their guys - they were very competant and particualrly unphased by their home base. We fly to Kathmandhu and think it's a bit special, but for the Druk Air guys - it's an easy day out.

Paro gets really interesting in an OEI situation. For that reason, Druk Air operate A319s with A321 rated V2500s. A real rocket ship!

Exascot 27th October 2011 10:45


We fly to Kathmandhu and think it's a bit special
I did my command route check into there IFR :eek: The b:mad:s

mcdhu 27th October 2011 11:24

Gilgit (OPGT, GIL) in Northern Pakistan in the Indus Valley is fairly hilarious. 5,000' up and 5,000' long surrounded by seriously high ground with minimal navaids (NDB only some years ago). PIA run Twotters and ATRs, the military use C130. We went in the Jumbolina.

Lovely fresh water pearls to be had there.

lomapaseo 27th October 2011 12:35

I would be just as frightened looking out the window in some of those homes.:eek:

bubbers44 27th October 2011 19:18

MHTG, Tegucigalpa, Honduras made it to second place in the worlds most dangerous airports in the world on the discovery channel. 1st place went to an Asian high altitude airport that jets couldn't fly in to. This was my favorite airport in the 757.

epsum 27th October 2011 20:00

What about Courchevel (LFLJ),
elevation 6588ft, 18.5% uphill slope, and less than 1800ft length. Most astonishing, that this airport has served Dash 7's in history.

Dani 27th October 2011 20:17


approach to Bhutan
not sure if it's the most difficult one, but surely one of the most risky. Established at 50ft AGL... :eek:

Che Guevara 27th October 2011 20:26

Lukla airport in Nepal, not for the faint hearted....
See u-tube.

Bill Macgillivray 27th October 2011 20:43

Difficult airfields
 
Try "SARFAIT on the Oman/Yemen border in the "Khareef" (monsoon) and/or in the days when the "other side" had a tendency to shoot at you!
Very life changing!!:eek:

Flightmech 27th October 2011 20:50

epsum,

Courchevel? Didn't they film a Bond movie there? Lukla has my vote!

V1... Ooops 28th October 2011 00:47

Akureyri in Iceland can be entertaining as well - the ILS is right up the middle of a mountain valley, once established inbound you can look out and see terrain above you on both sides. The arrow shows the runway. Once you get to the end, you see that the localizer is offset...


Akureyri, Iceland (BIAR)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/Akureyri.jpg

ck777 28th October 2011 12:49

I've been a lurker on pprune for many years and rarely post.

Last year I had the opportunity to sit in the flight deck on a C-130 flying from Islamabad to Gilgit. It was crystal clear and not a cloud in the sky. Being an aviation enthusiast this was really a dream come true to sit in the flight deck. I felt like a 10 year old the whole flight.

It was a spectacular flight and one I will remember for the rest of my life. The pilots were just amazing and I could tell they were enjoying themselves as well. It truly was amazing descending through the valley and the size of the mountains on both sides of the aircraft. They had been flying in and out of Gilgit for a couple of weeks and had some great stories.

A couple of days later I was on a C-17 flying into Skardu. Although I wasn't in the flight deck it was a pretty fun ride to the runway. I'm not in the military but had the opportunity to hitch a couple of rides.

Cheers

semmern 28th October 2011 14:14

I'd say Værøy airport in Lofoten, Norway, is a pretty good candidate. It's not high altitude or surrounded by mountains or anything. It's on a small island on one of the outermost islands in the Lofoten chain in northern Norway. On one side is the ocean, on the other side is a steep hill, which makes for some VERY interesting downdrafts and constant turbulence on short final. This in an area of very rough weather on an almost daily basis. Widerøe used to fly Twotters there, as evidenced here:


Link to youtube vid. Stupendously huge scrotum made of hard metal required to try this approach




http://varoyrhs.com/lvb/images/juni2010/16.JPG

Dg800 28th October 2011 14:48


What about Courchevel (LFLJ),
elevation 6588ft, 18.5% uphill slope, and less than 1800ft length. Most astonishing, that this airport has served Dash 7's in history.
A friend of mine's landed there in a glider as bad weather prevented him from making it back to home field and it was getting too late to get from there to anywhere halfway landable. Still better than the basically unlandable fields in that area but still something I wouldn't recommend trying, especially in an engineless plane which means you only have one chance to get it right. :ouch:

Zorin_75 28th October 2011 14:52


I would be just as frightened looking out the window in some of those homes.:eek:
This is the view you'd have:

Dream Land 28th October 2011 15:18

Great video, really depends on the type of aircraft you're operating, Honduras in the 75 still looks the scariest, a Citation can go anywhere, no big deal.

fantom 28th October 2011 15:45

Hmm... good clip but Samos Gr is much the same but with 30 kts across every day.

con-pilot 28th October 2011 17:20

I'll still say that Aspen, Colardo (KASE) is very high on the list, if not at the top.


MHTG, Tegucigalpa, Honduras
Bubbers44, I have flown in and out of there in a 727 back in the old days. However, I still believe that Aspen is worse. Why they didn't have Aspen on that Discovery program, I really never understood.

Now that I'm retired, if I never see Aspen again I'll be happy. But my wife loves the place, so I'm most likey to see it again anyway. :(

Of course now that I am retired and don't have to fly into ASE anymore, there is now an ILS into there with decent minmiums. Only certain aircraft, Gulfstreams, Falcon 50/900s, etc., are allowed to shoot the approach with special crew training.

Denti 28th October 2011 17:26

Most difficult airfield is always the one I'm going to land on next. Rather treat it like that than becoming complacent.

18-Wheeler 29th October 2011 07:26

FWIW this is Fane in the PNG highlands. It averages something like a 16deg slope and once you get to the top you have to stop or you run into the buildings.

http://www.billzilla.org/fane.jpg

Onongi, just down the road. Again, a one-way strip.

http://www.billzilla.org/ononge.jpg

There's another runway in PNG by the name of Kamuli, which is similar to Fane but it is curved and has a cliff going up on one side.

de facto 29th October 2011 17:35

Innsbruck is my nr1, loved the circling approaches during foen...

Joe le Taxi 30th October 2011 09:56

Bah - As grandpa Simpson says "I've coughed up scarier stuff!" ;)

At least you can break off an approach to most of the above.

Megeve, France - once you turn onto final, you are utterly committed as it is surrounded on three sides by huge rock faces and slopes, and the runway slopes at 7% (I seem to remember). Even Courcheval would allow some degree of break-off with a skillful steep turn.

It used to be that you could could go in without a check if you fly a ULM, even a fast glass ship. Ironically the arrival was fine for me (once my pulse had slowed) - Getting back out was the problem - got socked in for three days.

I can't find a decent picture - best is this flight sim pic I found.
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/attach...4&d=1309773757

Tailstrike737 30th October 2011 21:09

Samos, Greece on a windy day can be really challenging.

B737 landing Samos SMI RWY 09 with text commentary - YouTube


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