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Check Airman 20th August 2011 05:37

Turn rate on EFIS displays
 
I'm embarrassed to ask, but where is rate of turn indicated on modern EFIS displays? On Boeing/Airbus models, the ball is replaced by an indication under the roll index, but how do you know if you're turning at standard rate?

I assume if the AP is on, it will make standard rate turns if the TAS will allow, but how do you know if you're hand flying?

Denti 20th August 2011 06:00

Standard turn rate is only applicable until around 180kts. Minimum clean speed is always higher than that on the boeings i fly, therefore standard turn rate is of no concern.

Check Airman 20th August 2011 06:05

Why is standard rate only applicable below 180kt?

nitpicker330 20th August 2011 06:13

Because you cannot achieve a RATE 1 turn inside 30deg AOB above 180 KIAS. Usually limited to 30 deg AOB at most levels ( it can be less depending on the situation and a/c type ) and at our speeds it's not possible achieve rate 1.
So we never use/refer to rate of turn or have a display of it.

Bank angle is more of a concern with reference to maneuver margins above stall.

On a Boeing there is a slip/skid indicator under the sky pointer at all times.
On a Airbus it is also a Beta target on t/o with an Engine out.

Nothing magical here.

Tmbstory 20th August 2011 06:47

To obtain bank angle for Standard rate turn.
 
Not talking about the glass screen aircraft but as a guide for all aircraft, take the first two digits of the indicated airspeed, add seven, this gives you the angle of bank required for a standard rate of turn of three degrees per second,

Tmb

Check Airman 20th August 2011 06:51

So once you're above say 2000ft, you'd be too fast to make a standard rate turn. Thanks.

compressor stall 20th August 2011 13:29

And in the Airbus (can't speak for the Boeing), you'll get a different AoB at altitude depending on whether you're managed or selected laterally (i.e. DIRTO or Pull HDG). This will affect your Rate of Turn.

Bus Driver Man 20th August 2011 16:23


Originally Posted by Check Airman (Post 6651093)
So once you're above say 2000ft, you'd be too fast to make a standard rate turn. Thanks.

One of the reasons you often find a different outbound radial for Cat. C and D aircraft when flying a procedure turn for an approach.

Standard 25° bank (30° max), but at higher speeds this will be less than rate 1 and thus giving a bigger turning radius.


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